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Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animalQuote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:53) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,21:43) Quote (Stu @ July 19 2012,08:23) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,02:19) Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25) No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
Immediately upon coming down from the mountain with the law “thou shalt not kill”, Moses had his people go through the camp and kill their friends, and their families with the sword.That made the law a little confusing.
Tim
The Psalmist realised in Psalm 40:6 that humans had completely misunderstood god's desire to see humans kill one another and other animals.Although Exodus 20:24, Exodus 29:11-37, Leviticus 1:5, Leviticus 23:12-18 and Deuteronomy 12:27 were claimed to be the absolute desires of the deity to see sacrifices, apparently it wasn’t the sight of sacrifice that the deity was keen on after all – Psalm 51:16, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, 12:7.
It was the smell – Genesis 8:20-21, Numbers 18:17-19.
Stuart
Uhhhh, it seems that Moses fibbed.
Tim
Yesbodhitharta! straighten up Man. come on Fellow Skeptic!
your better than this!!!Where no Law has been made, there is no Law to offend…
I keep telling you there was always a law that forbade killing one own family or community, there is no law against killing those who are in opposition to those who are not within the community and seek to destroy it or those within the commounity that seek to destroy it from within.Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
Hi BD, what make you of this verse…“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
[The LORD JEHOVAH] hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isa 53:5-6)B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
Hi BD, what make you of this verse…“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
[The LORD JEHOVAH] hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isa 53:5-6)B'shem
YHVH
“The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Rom 6:23)Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
Hi BD, what make you of this verse…“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
[The LORD JEHOVAH] hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isa 53:5-6)B'shem
YHVH
“The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Rom 6:23)
sORRY ed, YOU SOUND OFFENDED!
aLL FLESH WILL SEE DEATH, ALL FLEASH IS SINFUL ACCORDING TO THE LAW, An where there is no Law MADE there in, is no sin.
Its Just as in-saulting to be told to Have Jesus beat up an killed for my wrong doing. except it an get forgiven…
No Way, I do not think that was ever a theory bc
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,06:39) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 20 2012,02:04) Ex 32:27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'” Kill your brother, your friend and your neighbor.
These were community. They were even family.Tim
These people didn't accept the covenant so they became outside the community
…and this is why islam has bloody borders.Stuart
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,23:04) Ex 32:27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'” Kill your brother, your friend and your neighbor.
These were community. They were even family.Tim
You judge from human standards giving no thought to the impact that disobedience of the law brings to society. You believe that God hates those who are killed, but I believe it can best be understood as a cancer, infection, or injury where one has to choose between removal of a valued portion of their body to save the whole. This was not something God desired any more than the one who chooses amputation or removal of organ(s), it is for the greater good.You also make the mistake of judging from a view point that this life is all there is, not taking into account that God “balances the books” so to speak in the end, providing complete justice to all.
God gave us dominion in the earth and to a large extent we have used that to abuse our brothers and sisters seeking our own desires, you cannot start an eternal kingdom in this manner and much that we have gone through demonstrates that society can only prevail if built on love (for the creator and our fellow man). Wickedness can have no place in an eternal kingdom.
Don't be blinded by the religious who are creating their own “paths to God”, but to truly obtain your portion of the eternal kingdom requires a relationship with the Father through His Son. The law was given to show the futility of man trying to earn God's pleasure, but shows that only striving to keep those commandments while having faith in the creator will lead to pleasing the Father.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
What an interesting thought hitting rector scale!
John the Baptist is ushering in Jesus as the sacrifical Lamb, Yes there appears to be some who were working on it!. The baptised?wish the Gospel of John would let mary Talk. half the problem!
Quote (seekingtruth @ July 20 2012,21:21) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,23:04) Ex 32:27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'” Kill your brother, your friend and your neighbor.
These were community. They were even family.Tim
You judge from human standards giving no thought to the impact that disobedience of the law brings to society. You believe that God hates those who are killed, but I believe it can best be understood as a cancer, infection, or injury where one has to choose between removal of a valued portion of their body to save the whole. This was not something God desired any more than the one who chooses amputation or removal of organ(s), it is for the greater good.You also make the mistake of judging from a view point that this life is all there is, not taking into account that God “balances the books” so to speak in the end, providing complete justice to all.
God gave us dominion in the earth and to a large extent we have used that to abuse our brothers and sisters seeking our own desires, you cannot start an eternal kingdom in this manner and much that we have gone through demonstrates that society can only prevail if built on love (for the creator and our fellow man). Wickedness can have no place in an eternal kingdom.
Don't be blinded by the religious who are creating their own “paths to God”, but to truly obtain your portion of the eternal kingdom requires a relationship with the Father through His Son. The law was given to show the futility of man trying to earn God's pleasure, but shows that only striving to keep those commandments while having faith in the creator will lead to pleasing the Father.
My opinion – Wm
Tims on the Hot seat!!you Know Wim, Law can be very abusive, WHERE IF ONE PERSON DOSE SOME THING WRONG, everyone geteth a new Law to honor, Its quite the war skill….
People love persecuting other nations by simply sucking their Government into pressing Laws?Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,18:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
Hi BD, what make you of this verse…“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
[The LORD JEHOVAH] hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isa 53:5-6)B'shem
YHVH
“The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Rom 6:23)
sORRY ed, YOU SOUND OFFENDED! aLL FLESH WILL SEE DEATH, ALL FLEASH IS SINFUL ACCORDING TO THE LAW, An where there is no Law MADE there in, is no sin.
Its Just as in-saulting to be told to Have Jesus beat up an killed for my wrong doing. except it an get forgiven…
No Way, I do not think that was ever a theory bc
Hi Charity,You don't accept him – he accepted you, when you didn't deserve it.
Your Job is to >repent< (by turning away from) all your wrong doing.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,22:44) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,18:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
Hi BD, what make you of this verse…“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
[The LORD JEHOVAH] hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isa 53:5-6)B'shem
YHVH
“The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Rom 6:23)
sORRY ed, YOU SOUND OFFENDED! aLL FLESH WILL SEE DEATH, ALL FLEASH IS SINFUL ACCORDING TO THE LAW, An where there is no Law MADE there in, is no sin.
Its Just as in-saulting to be told to Have Jesus beat up an killed for my wrong doing. except it an get forgiven…
No Way, I do not think that was ever a theory bc
Hi Charity,You don't accept him – he accepted you, when you didn't deserve it.
Your Job is to >repent< (by turning away from) all your wrong doing.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
From the pre-Pagan “remix gospel”:Luke 7: 44-50
Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”
Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
After religious people killed Jesus, the followers of Jesus began to interpret his death through the concept of their own sacrificial religion.
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,22:44) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,18:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
Hi BD, what make you of this verse…“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
[The LORD JEHOVAH] hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isa 53:5-6)B'shem
YHVH
“The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Rom 6:23)
sORRY ed, YOU SOUND OFFENDED! aLL FLESH WILL SEE DEATH, ALL FLEASH IS SINFUL ACCORDING TO THE LAW, An where there is no Law MADE there in, is no sin.
Its Just as in-saulting to be told to Have Jesus beat up an killed for my wrong doing. except it an get forgiven…
No Way, I do not think that was ever a theory bc
Hi Charity,You don't accept him – he accepted you, when you didn't deserve it.
Your Job is to >repent< (by turning away from) all your wrong doing.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
From the pre-Pagan “remix gospel”:Luke 7: 44-50
Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”
Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
After religious people killed Jesus, the followers of Jesus began to interpret his death through the concept of their own sacrificial religion.
Colter
Quote (seekingtruth @ July 20 2012,21:21) You judge from human standards giving no thought to the impact that disobedience of the law brings to society. You believe that God hates those who are killed, but I believe it can best be understood as a cancer, infection, or injury where one has to choose between removal of a valued portion of their body to save the whole. This was not something God desired any more than the one who chooses amputation or removal of organ(s), it is for the greater good.
I guess god just messed up creation, allowing to happen things it didn't want to happen.I suppose your answer is that this nasty god gives people “The Freedom” to have a loving relationship with it…but if they don't then they are condemned.
Why would anyone worship THAT??
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,22:44) Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,18:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2012,15:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2012,15:07) Quote (charity @ July 20 201D2,12:49) How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS? Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
They were not trying to “sacrifice” Jesus they were simply trying to kill him. Christians only try to call it some sort of Sacrifice any sacrifice that included torture wouldn't even be acceptable with an animal
Hi BD, what make you of this verse…“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
[The LORD JEHOVAH] hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isa 53:5-6)B'shem
YHVH
“The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Rom 6:23)
sORRY ed, YOU SOUND OFFENDED! aLL FLESH WILL SEE DEATH, ALL FLEASH IS SINFUL ACCORDING TO THE LAW, An where there is no Law MADE there in, is no sin.
Its Just as in-saulting to be told to Have Jesus beat up an killed for my wrong doing. except it an get forgiven…
No Way, I do not think that was ever a theory bc
Hi Charity,You don't accept him – he accepted you, when you didn't deserve it.
Your Job is to >repent< (by turning away from) all your wrong doing.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
All the wrong doing! Yes, one thing i may not have face….punishment for agreeing to the evil murder that cut Jesus's off, taking over his words to valadate their brutal actions as good of gods will!Thank you Colter….:)
I think they should say…gO now your Natural sense”s are FORGIVE, an Stand here an Take your punishment “like a Man”
ye MurdersQuote (Stu @ July 21 2012,08:18) Quote (seekingtruth @ July 20 2012,21:21) You judge from human standards giving no thought to the impact that disobedience of the law brings to society. You believe that God hates those who are killed, but I believe it can best be understood as a cancer, infection, or injury where one has to choose between removal of a valued portion of their body to save the whole. This was not something God desired any more than the one who chooses amputation or removal of organ(s), it is for the greater good.
I guess god just messed up creation, allowing to happen things it didn't want to happen.I suppose your answer is that this nasty god gives people “The Freedom” to have a loving relationship with it…but if they don't then they are condemned.
Why would anyone worship THAT??
Stuart
“Allowing things to happen” show clearly where error is or is not. You cannot have a potential in/of something if the boundaries are to narrow. If you make a couch to only function as a couch it will have much less potential negative and positive than a couch with a pullout bed.the point is defective things can be destroyed while at the same time the most effective and promising things can be preserved and maintained.
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