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Quote (princess @ Nov. 08 2012,11:05) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 07 2012,20:50) Hi Journey,
I am happy that you know how to train your dog and cat,
but that had absolutely nothing to do with my question.Tim
Tim,You did not take WakeUp's reflection of how he treats and trains his dog as how god treats and trains him?
Hi Princess,Of course you are correct in your evaluation.
But none of these people even tried to answer my question.
They have gone off on so many different tangents that they probably don't even remember what the question was.Wakeup said that God wanted man to have the knowledge of good and evil, but would make them die if they got it from the only available source.
My question was, WHY. God either wanted them to have that knowledge, or he did not.
Wakeup said that God wanted them to have that knowledge, but can't answer the question why would he deny it to them.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 06 2012,18:34) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 06 2012,01:38) Not really but neither is birth but it requires a ceremonial cleansing. Wm
Yes you are correct, but the ceremonial cleansing was required to make them clean of sin.
After giving birth the woman had to give a sin offering so that the priest could make atonement for her sin of giving birth.“And if she is not able to bring a lamb, then she may bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons—one as a burnt offering and the other as a sin offering. So the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.”(Leviticus 12)
The leper also had to be cleansed and give a sin offering because they thought that leprosy was caused by the fact that the person sinned.
Tim
I am a gentile and do not fully understand much of the “ceremonial uncleanness”, however it seems that the act of living causes us to be in violation of it.I believe sin is the disobedience to the known will of God, while being unclean is normal life's happenings that happen to violate what God requires for flesh to be acceptable in His sight (something the righteousness of God requires, but the Father knows no one can achieve). I believe this was put in place to teach us the principle, that our acceptance cannot be earned (so that no man may boast) but the Father loves us and is not looking for ways to condemn us, but has provided for us the means to achieve acceptance (with Jesus as the ultimate fulfillment).
In other words being unclean was not a sin, remaining unclean was the sin.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 08 2012,18:43) Quote (princess @ Nov. 08 2012,11:05) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 07 2012,20:50) Hi Journey,
I am happy that you know how to train your dog and cat,
but that had absolutely nothing to do with my question.Tim
Tim,You did not take WakeUp's reflection of how he treats and trains his dog as how god treats and trains him?
Hi Princess,Of course you are correct in your evaluation.
But none of these people even tried to answer my question.
They have gone off on so many different tangents that they probably don't even remember what the question was.Wakeup said that God wanted man to have the knowledge of good and evil, but would make them die if they got it from the only available source.
My question was, WHY. God either wanted them to have that knowledge, or he did not.
Wakeup said that God wanted them to have that knowledge, but can't answer the question why would he deny it to them.
Tim
Tim,
I don't know who you were addressing the question to but I'll give you my opinion. I believe the knowledge of good and evil has nothing to do with knowing facts or the ability to reason, but instead is an awareness of ourselves, our desires, and our judgment in comparing ourselves with others.My opinion – Wm
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 08 2012,21:43) Quote (princess @ Nov. 08 2012,11:05) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 07 2012,20:50) Hi Journey,
I am happy that you know how to train your dog and cat,
but that had absolutely nothing to do with my question.Tim
Tim,You did not take WakeUp's reflection of how he treats and trains his dog as how god treats and trains him?
Hi Princess,Of course you are correct in your evaluation.
But none of these people even tried to answer my question.
They have gone off on so many different tangents that they probably don't even remember what the question was.Wakeup said that God wanted man to have the knowledge of good and evil, but would make them die if they got it from the only available source.
My question was, WHY. God either wanted them to have that knowledge, or he did not.
Wakeup said that God wanted them to have that knowledge, but can't answer the question why would he deny it to them.
Tim
Timothy.God wanted us to know good and also evil.
But he does not want us to live an evil life.
he wants us to choose the good only.God said in gen3:22. Behold they have become LIKE ONE OF US KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL.
This means that only God knew good and evil;but now humans know whats good and evil and they have chosen to be evil, rather than good.All Gods children must know what is good and what is evil;but live a God fearing life.
Love they neighbour as thy self.
I dont mind any questions,but without calling God names.
wakeup.
Hi Princess I can't find your post which I meant to reply to, I think that you asked if the real god could please stand up?
“How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?” (Jesus speaking)
“And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”
“Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Of course people will try to confuse the matter from it's original simplicity into something of the opposite, but there is no need for this!
You used to be a believer?
“I will seek those who were lost, and bring again those who were driven away, and will bind up those who were broken, and will strengthen those who were sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.”
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2012,17:45) Hi Princess I can't find your post which I meant to reply to, I think that you asked if the real god could please stand up? “How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?” (Jesus speaking)
“And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”
“Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Of course people will try to confuse the matter from it's original simplicity into something of the opposite, but there is no need for this!
You used to be a believer?
“I will seek those who were lost, and bring again those who were driven away, and will bind up those who were broken, and will strengthen those who were sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.”
2Beesee.I like that.
Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
wakeup.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 08 2012,21:43) Quote (princess @ Nov. 08 2012,11:05) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 07 2012,20:50) Hi Journey,
I am happy that you know how to train your dog and cat,
but that had absolutely nothing to do with my question.Tim
Tim,You did not take WakeUp's reflection of how he treats and trains his dog as how god treats and trains him?
Hi Princess,Of course you are correct in your evaluation.
But none of these people even tried to answer my question.
They have gone off on so many different tangents that they probably don't even remember what the question was.Wakeup said that God wanted man to have the knowledge of good and evil, but would make them die if they got it from the only available source.
My question was, WHY. God either wanted them to have that knowledge, or he did not.
Wakeup said that God wanted them to have that knowledge, but can't answer the question why would he deny it to them.
Tim
Personally Tim, I believe such stories were oral traditions past down through the generations. That would explain the confusion in them.I agree with you on to the reason Why? Perhaps this god felt that if he could not keep his own kind in line he would make something that would and keeping such information from them would keep the minnons in line. And a deeper question is since everything about this god is holy and righteous no bad would exisit and should not be even known.
The 'bad' had to come from somewhere, some thought form. So where did it originate from?And why make it so difficult to keep a pure heart and mind?
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 08 2012,11:15) Princess Quote T, there are 28,000 gods to choose from and each say they have the true god, you are reflecting the same. Searching for truth is more important to me then searching for a god.
if I am looking for my father ,I know their are many called father but I do not want them it is MY FATHER I want big difference ,if I do not look for it I would not find him ,this his true ,Quote One can give as much lip service as they want T regarding what is and what isn't. Bottom line is what is on one's heart. There are stories of animals losing ones they loved and not moving from their side. Animals group together and live as a tribe and have social skills. You cannot just pull from all the bad in the world without noting the good in it. It is just isn't right. if I do not know ,why,were, who ,what and how,i have to know and serve,and wen to , and how to and what to ……..then I as well ignore all ,because I be still in the dark,
T, you genderizing. Why not search as dilegently for your mother?Don't fall for that I needed a role model in my life and choose the god that demands blood, seriously that is not a good path to take.
I still don't understand why some are so adamant about explaining something that cannot be. There are some things in life that just are and no amount of chatting explaining data can or will explain it away.
Even so the discussions will continue.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2012,17:45) Hi Princess I can't find your post which I meant to reply to, I think that you asked if the real god could please stand up? “How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?” (Jesus speaking)
“And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”
“Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Of course people will try to confuse the matter from it's original simplicity into something of the opposite, but there is no need for this!
You used to be a believer?
“I will seek those who were lost, and bring again those who were driven away, and will bind up those who were broken, and will strengthen those who were sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.”
So you have made the choice to worship one god and venerate his son? Correct me if I am wrong.I was lost when practicing Christianity. You could say I was more of a Hebrew then a Gentile. To this day I keep Sabbath and the dietary guidelines, never have or will take part in communion and still read proverbs, like the book.
My seeking god is what brought me where I am today. I will not deny anything of the spiritual this is just right down foolish, however I can and will deny the blood. The teaching never set right with me from the beginning.
Too many others came and passed with the same demand for blood.
BLOOD:
Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Matthew 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
Matthew 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
Life is because of the gods; with their sacrifice they gave us life…. They produce our sustenance… which nourishes life – Aztec priest.
Quote (princess @ Nov. 09 2012,19:12) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 08 2012,11:15) Princess Quote T, there are 28,000 gods to choose from and each say they have the true god, you are reflecting the same. Searching for truth is more important to me then searching for a god.
if I am looking for my father ,I know their are many called father but I do not want them it is MY FATHER I want big difference ,if I do not look for it I would not find him ,this his true ,Quote One can give as much lip service as they want T regarding what is and what isn't. Bottom line is what is on one's heart. There are stories of animals losing ones they loved and not moving from their side. Animals group together and live as a tribe and have social skills. You cannot just pull from all the bad in the world without noting the good in it. It is just isn't right. if I do not know ,why,were, who ,what and how,i have to know and serve,and wen to , and how to and what to ……..then I as well ignore all ,because I be still in the dark,
T, you genderizing. Why not search as dilegently for your mother?Don't fall for that I needed a role model in my life and choose the god that demands blood, seriously that is not a good path to take.
I still don't understand why some are so adamant about explaining something that cannot be. There are some things in life that just are and no amount of chatting explaining data can or will explain it away.
Even so the discussions will continue.
PrincessI know my mother ,she past away a few years ago;
as for genderizing ,NO I WOULD NOT DO such a thing,
but if you keep looking like I did ,many answers coming to you ,some against God but many for God believes ,
God does not ask for blood but men did ,
humans always like to look not guilty and blame all there screw ups on God ,sins the beginning ,so untill you can see the truth and deal with it ,you will never come to change youself for the better,
Quote (princess @ Nov. 10 2012,02:43) My seeking god is what brought me where I am today. I will not deny anything of the spiritual this is just right down foolish, however I can and will deny the blood. The teaching never set right with me from the beginning. Too many others came and passed with the same demand for blood.
Princess fair enough……. Jesus did say though that those who followed Him may have to die too, and many have……..Quote So you have made the choice to worship one god and venerate his son? Correct me if I am wrong. I actually have difficulty understanding the word 'worship'.
I 'listen to, pray to, and try to obey' both the Lord and the Father.
I believe that God is love.
I believe that true belief is different, I guess you could say.
I see God Almighty as the only power and the only truth and I see Jesus as I would visualize a man, though He has power as the Son of God and He is with us with the Father in Spirit.Quote I was lost when practicing Christianity. You could say I was more of a Hebrew then a Gentile. To this day I keep Sabbath and the dietary guidelines, never have or will take part in communion and still read proverbs, like the book. That's good that you have faith still.
What made you feel lost, apart from the blood side?Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2012,15:35) Quote (princess @ Nov. 09 2012,19:12)
T, you genderizing. Why not search as dilegently for your mother?Don't fall for that I needed a role model in my life and choose the god that demands blood, seriously that is not a good path to take.
I still don't understand why some are so adamant about explaining something that cannot be. There are some things in life that just are and no amount of chatting explaining data can or will explain it away.
Even so the discussions will continue.
PrincessI know my mother ,she past away a few years ago;
as for genderizing ,NO I WOULD NOT DO such a thing,
but if you keep looking like I did ,many answers coming to you ,some against God but many for God believes ,
God does not ask for blood but men did ,
humans always like to look not guilty and blame all there screw ups on God ,sins the beginning ,so untill you can see the truth and deal with it ,you will never come to change youself for the better,
Hi Pierre,Excellent post!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2012,11:59) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2012,15:35) Quote (princess @ Nov. 09 2012,19:12)
T, you genderizing. Why not search as dilegently for your mother?Don't fall for that I needed a role model in my life and choose the god that demands blood, seriously that is not a good path to take.
I still don't understand why some are so adamant about explaining something that cannot be. There are some things in life that just are and no amount of chatting explaining data can or will explain it away.
Even so the discussions will continue.
PrincessI know my mother ,she past away a few years ago;
as for genderizing ,NO I WOULD NOT DO such a thing,
but if you keep looking like I did ,many answers coming to you ,some against God but many for God believes ,
God does not ask for blood but men did ,
humans always like to look not guilty and blame all there screw ups on God ,sins the beginning ,so untill you can see the truth and deal with it ,you will never come to change youself for the better,
Hi Pierre,Excellent post!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org glad you backPrincess
years ago like 45 ago,i always have been the out side worker and the wife took care of the inside house ,and i made good money,but the wife ask me one day if she can have this and that or this and that ,and I told her you are my other half and so all of what i make his yours to do has you wich ,she never ask me those questions again we just would happily go to the stores,wen needed, we now just about 49 years married, I love her more to day than yesterday we both wait for God ,and his son
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2012,16:09) I will also add that I believe that God's power can heal us, and the power descends onto the heart.
Is that also how this god killed Uzzah? By descending power onto his heart?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2012,20:30) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2012,16:09) I will also add that I believe that God's power can heal us, and the power descends onto the heart.
Is that also how this god killed Uzzah? By descending power onto his heart?Stuart
Stuart, what are you talking about?Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2012,17:56) Princess years ago like 45 ago,i always have been the out side worker and the wife took care of the inside house ,and i made good money,but the wife ask me one day if she can have this and that or this and that ,and I told her you are my other half and so all of what i make his yours to do has you wich ,she never ask me those questions again we just would happily go to the stores,wen needed, we now just about 49 years married, I love her more to day than yesterday we both wait for God ,and his son
Good for you and your wife T.
Too many people in this day and age do not try to make a marriage last. It is great that you two have been able to grow old together.Tim
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