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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,08:27) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 25 2012,21:44) I disagree this video was interesting. It was gut-wrenchingly dull and the speaker displayed the hypocrisy of doing exactly what he accused Dawkins of.
Stuart
I dont expect you to agree,because you have already made up your mind before you have watched it.
No, I listened carefully before I made any judgement. It is a load of ignorant, prize bollocks.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 26 2012,17:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,08:27) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 25 2012,21:44) I disagree this video was interesting. It was gut-wrenchingly dull and the speaker displayed the hypocrisy of doing exactly what he accused Dawkins of.
Stuart
I dont expect you to agree,because you have already made up your mind before you have watched it.
No, I listened carefully before I made any judgement. It is a load of ignorant, prize bollocks.Stuart
Stu.You need to break that box that you are in,and explore what is outside that box,and open your eyes.
You are confined to the knowledge of this world,which is the ultimate of knowledge in your eyes.
We are only in the 3th dimension,and there are more dimensions than just 3.
Come out of that box,and you will find out,that the universe is greater than that box you are in.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,19:31) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 26 2012,17:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,08:27) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 25 2012,21:44) I disagree this video was interesting. It was gut-wrenchingly dull and the speaker displayed the hypocrisy of doing exactly what he accused Dawkins of.
Stuart
I dont expect you to agree,because you have already made up your mind before you have watched it.
No, I listened carefully before I made any judgement. It is a load of ignorant, prize bollocks.Stuart
Stu.You need to break that box that you are in,and explore what is outside that box,and open your eyes.
You are confined to the knowledge of this world,which is the ultimate of knowledge in your eyes.
We are only in the 3th dimension,and there are more dimensions than just 3.
Come out of that box,and you will find out,that the universe is greater than that box you are in.
wakeup.
Do tell me all about the 5th dimension. Please share your wisdom and understanding.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2012,22:53) So you can't distinguish between the origins of the solar system and the mechanisms that have given rise to the variety of life on our planet. Christianity: the religion for those content with not knowing.
Stuart
“…..I suspect the people who are not generally confused by life haven't been paying attention.
But confusion generates anxiety, and the desire for anxiety reduction is such that one is easily tempted to subscribe to any sort of explanation of things, so long as it regulates confusion and thus diminishes the anxiety.
This is what often deters us from stretching our worldview and imagining things turned upside down. Part of the reason I prefer religion over scientific atheism is that I find atheism to be less tolerant of confusion and disorder. It's easy to subscribe to some general pret-a-porter philosophy that puts everything neatly into its ontological place; but the price you pay is a smaller, diminished world. Or maybe that's the gain: after all, a diminished world is less threatening.
Of course, I'm not really trying to defend confusion as a permanent condition. Rather, I'm trying to defend its more illustrious cousins – puzzlement, wonder and adventurous curiosity. This posher side of the family are often snooty about confusion, wanting to distance themselves from its messy and circuitous ways. Yet Wittgenstein is surely right when he says that “I do not know my way about” is the basic form of a philosophical question.
And the best strategy of understanding may not be to borrow someone else's map and travel directly from A to B but instead to become an intellectual flaneur, to wander around the landscape and get thoroughly lost…..”
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 27 2012,19:03) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2012,22:53) So you can't distinguish between the origins of the solar system and the mechanisms that have given rise to the variety of life on our planet. Christianity: the religion for those content with not knowing.
Stuart
“…..I suspect the people who are not generally confused by life haven't been paying attention.
But confusion generates anxiety, and the desire for anxiety reduction is such that one is easily tempted to subscribe to any sort of explanation of things, so long as it regulates confusion and thus diminishes the anxiety.
This is what often deters us from stretching our worldview and imagining things turned upside down. Part of the reason I prefer religion over scientific atheism is that I find atheism to be less tolerant of confusion and disorder. It's easy to subscribe to some general pret-a-porter philosophy that puts everything neatly into its ontological place; but the price you pay is a smaller, diminished world. Or maybe that's the gain: after all, a diminished world is less threatening.
Of course, I'm not really trying to defend confusion as a permanent condition. Rather, I'm trying to defend its more illustrious cousins – puzzlement, wonder and adventurous curiosity. This posher side of the family are often snooty about confusion, wanting to distance themselves from its messy and circuitous ways. Yet Wittgenstein is surely right when he says that “I do not know my way about” is the basic form of a philosophical question.
And the best strategy of understanding may not be to borrow someone else's map and travel directly from A to B but instead to become an intellectual flaneur, to wander around the landscape and get thoroughly lost…..”
Christianity: the religion for people who see mystery not as a challenge but as a thing to be preserved in aspic to maintain the delusion.Stuart
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 27 2012,20:54) Christianity is not a delusion.
It is a delusion to think seriously that humans walk again after execution; it is a delusion to give any time to the notion that humans can be born of only one parent; it is a delusion to believe that humans can walk on the surface of water.Delusion is one of the terms that most accurately describes christianity.
Stuart
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 27 2012,21:21) Stu, miracles can and do happen.
Is this particular miracle that you can see how christianity is a delusion?Stuart
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 28 2012,19:44) A delusion is believing that everything came from nothing and just happened.
What does that mean?Stuart
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 28 2012,19:47) Stu, did you ever believe in a creator at any time?
Obviously creators exist; creativity is a human characteristic.Perhaps you might ask me whether I ever believed there was any intent or purpose behind the universe. I don't think I have ever believed that laughable idea.
Thank you for asking.
Stuart
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 29 2012,19:37) Stu, thanks for answering.
Can you explain what you mean by this?“A delusion is believing that everything came from nothing and just happened.”
Stuart
Stuart you talk in riddles:)
On the last page you said that a miracle would be my seeing that Christianity – or a belief in a creator – is a delusion.
From my point of view I have always believed in a creator so I would see your NOT believing in a creator as some type of a delusion, like you would see my belief as a delusion.
I am sitting in my room right now and I KNOW that everything that is in it was created, it didn't just 'happen'.
Anyway, it is cool. We can both be deluded in our own way!
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2012,19:11) Stuart you talk in riddles:) On the last page you said that a miracle would be my seeing that Christianity – or a belief in a creator – is a delusion.
From my point of view I have always believed in a creator so I would see your NOT believing in a creator as some type of a delusion, like you would see my belief as a delusion.
I am sitting in my room right now and I KNOW that everything that is in it was created, it didn't just 'happen'.
Anyway, it is cool. We can both be deluded in our own way!
I am not deluded about anything, at least you have not identified anything. Just 'cause you have always believed something doesn't make it true.I believe that most of the stuff in your room was created too, by humans. There is one thing in your room that was not created, and that is you.
I do not assent to your claim that I am deluded. Don't forget I have given some examples of how you are deluded, and you don't seem to have refuted those.
It isn't “cool” at all. It is a sign that you aren't very secure about your beliefs that you somehow need me to be deluded too.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2012,22:25) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2012,19:11) Stuart you talk in riddles:) On the last page you said that a miracle would be my seeing that Christianity – or a belief in a creator – is a delusion.
From my point of view I have always believed in a creator so I would see your NOT believing in a creator as some type of a delusion, like you would see my belief as a delusion.
I am sitting in my room right now and I KNOW that everything that is in it was created, it didn't just 'happen'.
Anyway, it is cool. We can both be deluded in our own way!
I am not deluded about anything, at least you have not identified anything. Just 'cause you have always believed something doesn't make it true.I believe that most of the stuff in your room was created too, by humans. There is one thing in your room that was not created, and that is you.
I do not assent to your claim that I am deluded. Don't forget I have given some examples of how you are deluded, and you don't seem to have refuted those.
It isn't “cool” at all. It is a sign that you aren't very secure about your beliefs that you somehow need me to be deluded too.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,I must have missed those examples, how exactly is he deluded?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (princess @ Oct. 31 2012,11:45) Quote I am not deluded about anything LOL…..
Hi Princess,Yea it is funny, isn't it.
How have you been?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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