The Wicked will be destroyed

Destruction of the wicked

Scripture says that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire. The same fire that destroys the ungodly is the fire that burns the heavens and earth.

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

And then this promise is given:

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

So the wicked will perish and we see that this fire is so consuming that it also destroys the elements.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare

But then after everything is destroyed in this way, God creates a new Heavens and Earth where righteousness and the righteous dwell.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.b That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

But then some argue that the human soul cannot be destroyed because he made man as an eternal creature. Thus his soul cannot be destroyed and this fire and will instead, perpetually burn and the soul of a wicked man will suffer the flame for all eternity. But scripture teaches differently to this idea of eternal suffering in Hell. Besides contradicting what we just read about the destruction of the ungodly in the above verses, it is clear from this verse that everything is destroyed and a new creation comes into being. However, even more condemning for the ‘eternal soul’ view is the following scripture. It clearly shows that God in his mercy spared man the fate of living forever because of his sin.

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Clearly God the merciful stopped man from eating the tree of life after he sinned, thus sparing him from living forever. Besides merciful act by God, surely you can see that God is able to destroy a man’s soul and that he will indeed do this very thing. This is all written. We either accept it or doubt the scriptures that clearly show this.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Do you believe now, that God can and will destroy the wicked forever? Do you believe that he spared the wicked from existing for all eternity? You should believe that if you believe the scriptures.

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  • #791145
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Now that I look back I see other posts you could have been addressing.  Could you please be more specific about what you are addressing in the future.  Thank you.

    #791146
    kerwin
    Participant

    @t8,

    T9 is what t8 is called when my fingers do the talking and misspeak.

    #791149
    kerwin
    Participant

    miia,

    What do you mean by “test them”?

    Honestly testing teachings repetitively breeds confidence in them when they do not fail the tests.

     

    #791151
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Mila,

    The world teaches that men go to heaven.

    It is not a bible teaching.

    Hi Nick.

    What about these verses:

    “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. “If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. “And you know the way where I am going.” (John 14:1)

    “But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.” (Phil 1:23)

    For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven” (2Cor:1)

    “Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— for we walk by faith, not by sight— we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.” (2Cor:6)

    And more.

    #791152
    Miia
    Participant

    Honestly testing teachings repetitively breeds confidence in them when they do not fail the tests.

    Oh OK thanks Kerwin 🙂

    #791160
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    There is no suggestion that flesh men will continue to populate the earth after judgement.

    Flesh is no more and we will be like the angels.

    #791161
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi mila,

    No teaching says man will have heaven as a home.

    The new house in a new body.

    To be with the Lord will mean to be on the earth usually but perhaps at times in heaven too..

     

    #791162
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Yes we see more guesswork here too.

    Opinion often rules over relevation

    #791185
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Flesh is no more and we will be like the angels.

    The only passage that can be used to make that case is where Paul writes that “flesh and blood will not inherit the reign of God …”.  That interpretation is based on assuming that the words “flesh and blood” are literal while at same assuming the “flesh” in the words “no flesh would be saved” in not literal.

    #791187
    Proclaimer
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    #791189
    kerwin
    Participant

    @t8,

    What point are these individuals making that takes an hour?

    #791192
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    You get confused not knowing what is literal and what is not?

    #791195
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I have started the video at the point that is relevant to what we are discussing (which is near the end).

    It’s really just saying what we/some are saying here. The Earth as the abode of men and the Final Judgement comes with a punishment that is based upon the sins committed followed by final destruction of the wicked, and the old heavens and earth.

    From what I understand so far this video uses the words from a vision that was given in the Nineteenth century. It starts at the fall of Babylon. However, I have embedded the video to start near the end. You can watch the whole thing if you want though. Just move the slider to the beginning.

    It is mostly just following scripture from what I can see. Just worded like a story.

    #791197
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Nick, what is literal are the teachings about the destruction of the wicked. It is the prophecies that are more likely to be symbolic in meaning.

    #791200
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Should we worry about these things?

    Surely they were made for the devil and his angels and we have been given the words of eternal life?

    #791204
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Nick I am not sure we should worry about such things. But if people teach that the wicked are not destroyed and the human soul cannot be destroyed then I will correct them with scripture.

    Eternal Judgement is one of the foundational doctrines, so yes I am concerned about what eternal judgement means because it is very important. It’s not like a debate about genealogies or what type of sandals the messiah wore.

    #791213
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Carnel…….here is no “specific” scriptures that say souls are eradicated, just as the is no “specific” scripture that a soul keep living after a person dies.

    Gene,

    READ AND

    EXPLAIN HEREUNDER RELATED TO MY DEFINITION:

    Job 20:18 He shall be punished for all that he did,

    THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO A WICKED MAN’S SOUL,/ SATAN!

    IT SAYS

    HE SHALL BE PUNISHED AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:

    NOT ERADICATED ENTIRELY

    SO WHEN THE PUNISH IS OVER AND DONE WITH HE WOULD GO THROUGH TO ANOTHER SALVATION PROCESS TILL HE IS HOLY EVEN IF IT TAKES AND ENDLESS TIME!

    and yet shall not be consumed:

    AGAIN AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL: HE WILL NOT BE CONSUMED! THEREFORE

    NOT ERADICATED ENTIRELY!

    according to the multitude of his devices so also shall he suffer.

    AN EMPHASIS TO MAKE US AWARE THAT

    ONLY ACCORDING TO HIS DEVICES HE SHALL SUFFER

    THEREFORE NO MORE NO LESS

    A JUST GOD

    SO AGAIN AS SOON AS HE SUFFERS JUSTLY,

    HE GO THROUGH TO ANOTHER SALVATION PROCESS TILL HE IS HOLY, EVEN IF IT TAKES AND ENDLESS TIME!

    THIS IS THE ONLY CONVINCING CONCEPT THAT GOD ALMIGHTY IS A LOVING GOD, HAVE AN ENDLESS PATIENCE,HE IS SUPERIOR TO ALL EVIL, AND HE REALLY MEANT IN THE TRUTH WHAT HE PRONOUNCED ON THE VERY FIRST BEGINNING:

    LET THERE BE

    OTHERWISE THE ABOVE MOST POWERFUL ATTRIBUTE OF GOD ALMIGHTY “THE WORD”

    IS A FALLACY

    SINCE IT NEVER ACTUALLY BEEN IN FULL

    THE FACT THAT HE CREATED THE FIRST LIVING SOUL, GOD’S TERM MAN:

    IN HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS THEREFORE:

    ETERNAL

    THROUGH THE WORD PROCESS FROM THE VERY FIRST BEGINNING!

    IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    SO SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR:

    THE WORD WAS GOD! ETERNAL OBVIOUS IN THE FUNCTION OF “THE WORD”, HIS SON!

    3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.

    SO ALL THINGS ARE MADE BY THE PROCESS, AND FUNCTION OF “THE WORD”

    THEREFORE ALL THINGS, EVEN IF IT DOESN’T LOOK SO TO OUR MORTAL CORRUPTED INTELLIGENCE ARE

    ETERNAL SINCE GOD’S WAYS ARE NOT OUR WAYS!

    4In him was life, and the life was the light of men

    THEN ABOVE DECLARED IN HIM WAS THE LIFE,

    ETERNAL

    THE LIFE ETERNAL WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN!

    SO MEN IS NOT ANY MORE DARKNESS, DEATH! SINCE “THE WORD” GAVE HIS

    ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL THE ENTIRE CREATION AS HE HIMSELF DECLARED:

    WHEN I AM LIFTED UP ALL THINGS COME ONTO ME!

    HE IS THE SOLE OWNER OF THE ENTIRE CREATION!

    HE OWNS HELL!

    HE OWNS ALL WHAT’S IN HELL!

    HE IS CAPABLE TO TRANSFORM ALL IN ORDER TO RESPECT THE FATHER’S WORD:

    BY HOOK OR BY CROOK:

    LET THERE BE

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #791216
    Miia
    Participant

    No teaching says man will have heaven as a home.

    The new house in a new body.

    To be with the Lord will mean to be on the earth usually but perhaps at times in heaven too..

    Nick, If Jesus goes to prepare a place, where might that place be, that “where He is we may be also”? Where did He go but to the Father and the Father is in Heaven.

    What you say is not what Jesus said. Jesus said:

      “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. “But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Mat 6:19)

    I look forward to going back (If you have experienced it you will know what I mean).

    There is a new Heaven and a new Earth after the destruction of the Earth by fire (2Peter:3) which is soon to happen (at the 2nd return of Jesus).

    #791217
    Miia
    Participant

    Nick, do you believe in eternal conscious torment:  yes or no?

    #791218
    Miia
    Participant

    Men in the ages to come will likely multiply, thus if it is to exist eternally, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to imagine that the Earth will run out of room at some point

     

    t8, I don’t believe men will multiply in some “ages to come”.

    People often confuse the “thousand year” reign on this present Earth (soon to end) with eternity in the new Earth (soon to begin).

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