@Jodi,

You quote II Pet 2 and verse 4 you state:

“Verse 4 is not talking about celestial messengers it is talking about God’s messengers the prophets who sinned.”

Except when looking up the word angel the Greek ἀγγέλων means “a messenger, angel” and according to Strong’s the understanding of this passage is “Certain of the angels have proved fa…[Read more]

Hi DT,

I think a good starting point is looking at definitions.

As for “Free Will” – the ability or discretion to choose; free choice, unforced choice.

I most definitely believe that people are given the freedom to make their own choices. I would be much happier if people just said we have “free choice”, then I wouldn’t have a…[Read more]

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@Jodi,

Briefly on freewill, it’s the idea/ablity to freely make decision in life – good or bad/right or wrong; otherwise we are stuck with the concept of “predestination” or is there another option? If we don’t have freewill, then surely the angels don’t either. If angels don’t have freewill, then satan and demons don’t have freewill and th…[Read more]

Hi All,

2 Peter 2

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

When it comes to the prophetic VISION that John had we know that there is no literal dragon, no literal beasts, right? So why do you insist on making the dragon and his MESSENGERS/angelos be in literal heaven? How does this even make any sense when this is prophecy and you argue that in Isaiah 14 that your Lucifer, which actually has…[Read more]

@Berean,

you: “Satan (the great dragon OF Rev.12) is the great SPIRIT leader of the NWO which takes form with the beast (papacy) and the false prophet (apostate Protestantism/the beast which rises from the earth/USA)”

me: is this what you have been taught or can you substantiate this with scripture?

You quote Rev 17:14 and Jesus (the lamb), in…[Read more]

Hi DesireTruth,

Thanks for joining this thread!

Does seem like some clarification is in order.

Hebrew word “ra”

bad, evil
bad, disagreeable, malignant
bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
evil, displeasing
bad (of its kind – land, water, etc)
bad (of value)
worse than, worst (comparison)
sad, unhappy
evil (hurtful)
bad,…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

Thanks for your reply and looking at the content of Daniel more closely.

You say that doesn’t mean he  was a “good accuser”, but scripture doesn’t show that he was a wicked rebel spirit entity against God either. On the contrary, he was able to be in the presence of God, he asked God for permission and he followed God’s instructions.…[Read more]

@Jodi,

This is intriguing, you describe the angels as being under God’s control and doing HIS commands; in some cases, “creating evil.” If “evil” is from the hand of God, this would mean the “evil” we see and experience originates from God, by/through HIS angels. Am I understanding you correctly?

Is “sin” the “evil” God is speaking of in Isaiah…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: Hi Carmel,

You: ONLY JESUS RECEIVED ALL THE ABOVE BY THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE, BUT NOT INCESSANTLY POSSESSED!

ME: There exists no scriptural support for what you have stated what so ever. You continually add into scripture what is not there and turn the bible into a book of nonsense.

As said before there exists n…[Read more]

@Jodi

Rev.12 : 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, 👉which deceiveth the whole world:👈 he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

🤔

Hi Jodi,

I want to make a comment about the Book of Job.
Even if Satan was right about Job, that doesn’t mean
that Satan was a good accuser.
Anyway, Job did repent and that is the main thing.
Job did not turn his back on God forever.
So after all Satan did loose and that’s the beautiful
end of the Book of Job.
The accuser of our brethren never…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU: Hey Jodi
Who tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden?

ME: I believe scripture throughout the bible gives us the understanding that the serpent in Genesis 3 is an allegory, there was no literal serpent in the garden. 

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

John 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil (diabolos/slanderer) 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father…[Read more]

@ All

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Jodi

You

Berean, what do you think of regarding the people of the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab? They want a one world government, they want people living in 15 minute cities where they can be happy owning nothing, hopped up on drugs and getting pleasure through virtual reality. They have been on a path to destroy the nuclear family,…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

the old serpent, the slanderer/deceiver, the adversary.

the CARNAL MIND is at enmity against God, it is not subject to the law or indeed can be. What are the works of the flesh, what do people do following after the imagination of their own hearts?

Eph 2:3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulf…[Read more]

Rev.20
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and👉 Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations…[Read more]