Berean…..Mark and Matt…… is not saying Jesus’ life gave anyone eternal life or paid for their sins off for them,  what it is saying  is ,Jesus ” blood i.e  (life) was given and  shed to show us “how”,  to get our sins forgiven,  his life was the “example” of the,  “new Covenant” of God the Father,   at work in mankind.

The whole concept of Je…[Read more]

@ DT

Exodus 24: 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold👉 the blood of the covenant, 👈which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Jeremiah 31]

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that👉 I will make a new covenant 👈with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the…[Read more]

@Danny,

Not worried since God never spoke of a place of eternal torment. Christianity says God loves you very much, but if you’re not interested go to hell…forever!

I see you didn’t find a passage in the Tanakh that says believing in the Messiah brings salvation…typical “I believe button” christian.

Since you believe in a place of eternal…[Read more]

DT…….Had you did what I ask you to do, you would has seen that the word “for’.  Does take on the meaning of   “Purpose of”.   It never takes on the meaning of,  “in place of”. As in What Jesus did was in place of us, having to do anything.

Jesus said clearly……“whosoever will save his life,  (the way he lives) will lose it, whosoever will…[Read more]

@Danny,

Find me a passage in the Tanakh that says believing in the Messiah brings salvation.

Why does someone not escaping prison suddenly bring another to the point of wanting to be “saved”? Did the jailer suddenly know what it meant to be “saved”? Instead of repeating sound bites or words on an inspirational poster, you need to be asking…[Read more]

@DT

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

@ Gene

What you say proves that you have not read carefully everything that is written in this meditation.

@Danny and Gene,

For Jesus to be of the tribe of Judah and “root/offspring” of David, his daddy had to be a biological descendant of David and Solomon (God said it). Is Jesus’ biological father of the line of David? According to both Matthew and Luke, Jesus’ daddy is the spirit. This makes Jesus a demigod (offspring of a god and mortal), like the…[Read more]

Berean……wrong all must “repent” of their own sins,  before God, and live exactly as Jesus did through Faith and by the power of the Holy Spirit of God the Father.  Jesus did not pay your or anyone else’s sin debt, It cost him his life to “” demonstrate” to us all how to live right with God the Father, but he did not pay off your or anyone el…[Read more]

Danny……Yes Jesus is the “root and offspring of David. And this root and offspring came into his existence when he was born in the flesh on this earth some 2000 years ago.  Jesus did not preexist his birth on this earth,  he was in the Devine plan of God the Father from the foundations of this earth, but never existed till he was born here on ear…[Read more]

@Gene,

Seriously, you’re telling me to look up what “for” means?!?!? You suddenly have an epiphany and come up with “for” meaning purpose; how about going back a few posts and actually read what I wrote. Because I said “for” introduces a purpose!!!! Then you change from “BECAUSE” to “in place of”?!?!?!? What are you doing?!?!?!

You go o…[Read more]

Hi all

A VOLUNTARY EXILE

Who (Jesus Christ) existing in the form of God… emptied himself… becoming like men; and… he humbled himself, making himself obedient to the point of death, even to the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:6-8)

To understand the full importance of salvation, it is essential to realize the price at which it was…[Read more]

DT……Yes let do that, let’s see what Daniel said about the coming of the Messiah. I will let you start seeing you see it differently.

peace and love to you and yours DT……..gene

DT……Propitiation, is appeasing the wrath of God.  Jesus’ life was given “for”,  the “purpose of” , showing us all how to “appease” the warpath of God.

look up the meaning of the word ‘for’ in the Cambridge dictionary and you will find it means for the “purpose of”, but never, “in place of”.

Jesus died for the purpose of “showing or demonstratin…[Read more]

@Gene,

The verse explicitly says “died for our sins”, not “because of”. What verse(s) am I speaking of? I Cor 15:3, Gal 1:4, I John 2:2, I John 4:10, Heb 2:17, I Pet 2:24, Rev 1:5. When reading these verses I didn’t find, “because of.” Besides, didn’t Jesus say he willingly laid down his life and what was the purpose (in bold for your enjoyment)…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: Your still setting things to your time frame, but not God’s.

Me: Site the passage where God said the Messiah was to come and not do or be anything HE said the Messiah was to do or be; BUT, will do and be a second time. Didn’t find that passage either; why, because it doesn’t exist. I haven’t place anything in a “time frame”; I…[Read more]

DT…….Your still setting things to your time frame, but not God’s.  Where doe any scripture say all that must happen at the same time period.  I haven’t found any set time period yet have you, if so then show it to us.

But the time of the Messiah’s is set in scriptures, a time when all the Jews knew, as described in the books of Daniel the prophet…[Read more]

DT……The words for and because are. synonymous  if applied in the right “sense”,  let’s see if you are able to understand this?.

“FOR” ….. sin exists in this world, so God sent Jesus,  at the right time, a prophesied person who he “‘predicted through his prophets, to “demonstrate”  to all his human creation what is required to live right with hi…[Read more]

@Carmel,

So the “spirit” gave you this understanding and if the “spirit” gave you this understanding, will others be in agreement with you? If no one agrees with what you wrote, it would make what you said a product of your own mind and not of the spirit.

It’s fascinating most here believe they are “filled with the ‘Holy Spirit’” in s…[Read more]

@Gene,

In post 946453 you say we are in agreement with the term “because”, except we’re not. You believe Jesus created a “bridge” between you and God in his death; but, God said I’M right here – come.

You keep talking about the terms “for” and “because” and claiming “for” can mean “because”; except grammatically, “for” introduces a purpose…[Read more]