Adam…….Do you actually Believe God did what he did to Israel and the Jew’s , without reason?  They constantly sinned against God , giving the things God gave them,  as given to them from the Gods of those other nations, provoking  God the Father to do what he did to then, they became to God a unholy people, corrupt from head to tow.
They were nev…[Read more]

@genebalthrop

Gene,

I have found a very clear quote from Irenaeus.
He said in his Book Against Heresies, 4.5.2.
“Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.”

What about that?
If you reject that, then you are cherry picking.
That’s not very hones…[Read more]

@t8

Ok, maybe this quote was not clear enough.
I have found a very clear quote from Irenaeus.
He said in his Book Against Heresies, 4.5.2.
“Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.”

What about that?
If you reject that, then you are cherry…[Read more]

Berean: Gene

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 
For by him were all things created…

Berean, who is our Creator?

gadam: Your strange ideas of interpreting Hebrew scriptures…

Like I told you in the other thread, “Lol, ha ha” is not a valid argument.  Neither is claiming the other guy’s ideas are “strange”, therefore you “win”.  🙄

gadam:  Sorry I don’t want any further arguments on this Arian controversy here with me.

Fantastic!  Take care.

Gene: Berean …..I realize Jesus is your God, and you worship him as such,   but he is not my God, I have a God and it’s the same God , Jesus has.   Thank you for your concern though.

peace and love to you and yours……..gene

Brilliant!  No long explanations needed.  Just the plain, simple and SCRIPTURAL fact that our God is also Jesus’ God.  We kno…[Read more]

Hello brother Gene,

Adam………….It was God that used the gentile nations to  persecute  the Jews, and kick them out of their land, he gave them and Israel out of the land he gave them also, and it was God who sent a sword  after the Jew’s , to destroy them in the nations they went to, just as scriptures says. While the kingdom of Israel and the king…

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Proclaimer: It was addressed perfectly and you know it. That is why you got a bit upset.

Actually, you still haven’t addressed it.  Since the point I’m making is easy for anyone to understand, I can only imagine that you’re going out of your way to pretend like you can’t understand it.  Maybe this will help…

Are you able to grasp the c…[Read more]

Adam………….It was God that used the gentile nations to  persecute  the Jews, and kick them out of their land, he gave them and Israel out of the land he gave them also, and it was God who sent a sword  after the Jew’s , to destroy them in the nations they went to, just as scriptures says. While the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah, were…[Read more]

Hi To all

Sweet, loving, full of compassion,

But you, Lord, are a merciful and compassionate God, slow to anger, rich in goodness and faithfulness. Ps. 86:15.

God desires that, according to the principles of his ministry, we comfort one another with tenderness and love when great trials arise. No one lives or dies for himself. Life and death…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

Drop the bias and read it:

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, (a)
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested? (b)
For he was cut off from the l…

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Second error

Characteristics of the Messiah

The New Testament teaches that the messiah came as a suffering servant. That he was despised, rejected, and sacrificed.

Then he returns as the reigning King headquartered in Israel where he will rule the nations. The messiah’s kingdom is glorious beyond your belief. You and others put little stock in…[Read more]

First error

Please remember that the Hebrew Messiah will not change Tanakh and in fact he will up hold it. It was purely the creation of NT writers that the Messiah would change every thing and invent a new religion. No where this is supported in the Hebrew Bible.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come t…[Read more]

53:7 “He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth.” Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in…

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It’s really clear to anyone who has never read Isaiah 53 who in history this is talking about. Even Atheists say it sounds like Jesus even if he never existed.

And of course to those who believe Isaiah 53 is scripture and that Jesus is not the messiah, well there is no limit on how creative you can be to deny this is Jesus despite him standing…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer, thanks for your patience in replying my posts.

Got it. So when the messiah comes, we do not have to hear his teachings and record them because the Old Testament is everything. If so, then why do we even need the messiah if the Old Testament has everything?

Please remember that the Hebrew Messiah will not change Tanakh in fact he…[Read more]

HI Gene,

YOU:Carmel……Read what Irenaeus said in CA 185 AD. …..because that is exactly the way I believe.  Jesus was and is not a God of any kind. He did not preexist his existence on this earth either. 

ME: Read, AGAIN THE SCRIPTURE THAT I POSTED, and IGNORE ALL ELSE!
AND I REPEAT 
BUT for a change don’t let your carnal-minded reasoning…[Read more]

HI Gene,

YOU:Carmel……Read what Irenaeus said in CA 185 AD. …..because that is exactly the way I believe.  Jesus was and is not a God of any kind. He did not preexist his existence on this earth either. 

ME: Read, AGAIN THE SCRIPTURE THAT I POSTED, and IGNORE ALL ELSE!
<h2>AND I REPEAT </h2>
<h2>BUT for a change don’t let your carnal-min…[Read more]

Hi Gadam,

YOU: Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years.

Of course Jerusalem and Judah have not existed since the “days of eternity”!! Thus the translation must follow the logic.

ME: What if the names JUDAH and JERUSALEM are used

METAPHORICALLY?

That would be a c…[Read more]

Messiah is expected to rule physical kingdom (Not spiritual as imagined by Christianity) for God’s people Israel.

The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.