Hi Gene,

YOU: Berean……yes God’s word was indeed with God, just us as your word is with you.  You can’t separate yourself from your words,
neither can God either!
Mark  10:27  And Jesus looking on them, saith: With men it is impossible; but not with God:
for all things are possible with God.

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts:<…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

YOU: Many here say they believe him, but lie, because if they “truly” believed him,  
then they would believe what he said right’?
 
ME: Enjoy Gene, the truth:

18Hereupon therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he did not only break the sabbath, but also said God was his Father,
making himself equal to God.[Read more]

@t8

Hi Proclaimer,

You: Likewise, we know that the Word was theos means the Word was divine as there is no definite article in John 1:1c.

Me: I agree.

“the Logos was divine” – The Bible: James Moffatt Translation, by James Moffatt.
“and the Word was divine” – The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chi…[Read more]

Gadam

The only difference is they only believe that Jesus created by God first. Hope brother Gene notice the difference. 

Me
This is not Jesus Christ created BY God first 
This IS :   GOD CREATED ALL THINGS 
BY JESUS CHRIST  
God bless you BY Jesus Christ

Gadam

I promise you BEFORE GOD, BEFORE JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY ANGELS THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT INTERPRETATION.

God bless you

Likewise, we know that the Word was theos means the Word was divine as there is no definite article in John 1:1c.

Hi Proclaimer, I keep on hear this from the mouth of many non-trinitarians. I wonder how they differentiate ‘the word’ from ‘word’? Similarly how divine is different from God? So you want to differentiate your self from Trinitarians…[Read more]

Mike
John 1:3 give the answer
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
HIM = THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

This is the fate of the NT it contradicts its own Christology. I hope Mike and other non-trinitarians will notice this problem. They also believe Jesus’ preexistence as the word in the beginning with…[Read more]

Hi Berean, it is the the interpretation of SDA Church and Christianity on Dan 9:24-27 not Jewish one.

Mike

Very good question…..

My answer IS

GOD CREATED BY HIS SON BECAUSE

ALL IS FROM GOD THE FATHER(the Son too) AND BY HIS SON…

…..one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;

and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I’m sure you will one day understand this: OF WHOM ….. BY WHOM

THE FATHER: OF…[Read more]

The SON OF GOD (named by John“THE WORD”) WAS WITH THE GOD IN THE BIGINNING AND HE WAS GOD.

ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM ; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE.

Proclaimer……Tell us was Adan born or created,  you false assumption of them being the same is wrong, because “born”,  “ALWAYS”, implies a “BIRTH” process, while a creation does not.   Adam and eve were “CREATED”, not “born”,  The first person “BORN” was “CAIN”.  

Therefore Jesus said unto them,  “you are of your father (the devil),, because the…[Read more]

Berean:  Mike 
John 1:3 give the answer
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
HIM = THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

Thanks for your answer.  You believe Jesus is the Creator.  What then do you make of this?

Mark 13:19-20

…because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God cre…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike……Right on brother.  Very good post to LU and Berean too.

Thanks Gene.  Hey, do you know what happened to Ed J?  I haven’t heard anything from him in months.

Mike……Right on brother.  Very good post to LU and Berean too.  That is the way I see it also,  one God who created everything “alone and by himself”. Isa 44:24,   God does nothing through his servants but speakers his words to them and sends them out to tell his words, to who he sends them to.  That is exactly what he did with the prophets…[Read more]

How do you get that he created all things from ‘Zoe’?

I googled it and this came up which I thought was interesting.

In the third century, Alexandrian Jews translated the Hebrew name Eve to its Greek equivalent, Zoe. The name became popular with early Christians, who associated its meaning of “life” with eternal life.

So Adam and Eve could be…[Read more]

@dannyd

Hi Proclaimer,
I finally got it.
God is not a nature. He is an identity.
Thanks for making that clear.
It’s very hard to think clear sometimes because of
the things we were being indoctrinated in our past.

Hey that is awesome. It really isn’t that difficult, but as you say, when you have been taught otherwise it is. We need to unlearn s…[Read more]

To all……Your using the word “firstborn”,  to mean first created.

Not so. Creation is defined for us. It is all that was made by God through the Word.

Nothing was created outside of this.

Thus, the Word is not created.

The Word was WITH God in the beginning.

Thus, was begotten directly by God.

From that, all things were created by God throu…[Read more]

Hi Gadam AND all

Pleased Read AND be blessed

Daniel 9:24 – Seventy weeks have been appointed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to put an end to transgressions and an end to sins, to atone for iniquity and to bring about eternal righteousness, to seal the vision and the prophet , and to anoint the Holy of Holies.

The word “fixed” means,…[Read more]

Mike 
John 1:3 give the answer
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
HIM = THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

Is Daniel 9:24-27 about Jesus?