Adam:  So you think our human souls are immortal?

Well, what’s the definition of “immortal”?  A living thing is immortal if it will not cease to exist by natural or accidental causes.  You have already said that the OT speaks about living again after death, right?  And we learn in the OT that after Samuel died, he still existed – but as a sle…[Read more]

How many here “actually”  believe that ?  ESPECIALLY those who “WORSHIP” Jesus as their GOD.   That is the iniquity mentioned in, 2 THS 2 .  

Me

I worship Jesus  not as my God, but as MY SAVIOR , MY LORD, MY KING, MY MASTER.

Heb.1
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHI…[Read more]

Adam:  The above interpretation was of the writer of Luke Gospel and not of Moses. The Hebrew Bible was simply quoting the statement of God Yahweh “I am (Yahweh) God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob” It doesn’t mean Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not really dead.

The above was a quote from Jesus the Messiah of God – not an “interpretation” from Luke. …[Read more]

Mike
In the beginning, if Jesus was not God (having the same attributes as his Father) and in harmony with Him, he would have had no right to be the savior of the world, because only the Creator can save his creatures.
The greatest of (created) angels could not have been a candidate for this mission.

To all……..GOD THE FATHER SAID, For you shall “WORSHIP” NO other God, because the LORD, whose name is “Jealous”,  is a Jealous God. Ex 34:14,

Ex 20:3-4……”You shall have no other Gods before me.” “You shall not make unto you “ANY” graven “IMAGE” or  “ANY” LIKENESS of “ANYTHING”  that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath or t…[Read more]

Berean: If Jesus was a creature before HIS incarnation he could not become the savior of the world…

Why not?

Berean:  BUT BECAUSE Jesus covered our humanity on his divinity, HE WAS  QUALIFIED TO BECOME THE SAVIOR IF THE WORLD.

I don’t deny that Jesus was, and is, divine.  He is the second most powerful god in existence after all.  But where can…[Read more]

Jesus died like any other mortal.  If he did not die and be raised as a true mortal man, then what hope have we to die and be raised as true mortal men?

Hi Mike, thanks for your reply to my query to Proclaimer on mortal death. Yes that was the point I was raising on Jesus’ nature if he was dead like a mortal and I was questioning on the…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

Was Jesus begotten from the grave? If so, by whom?

Yes, Jesus was raised from the dead by his and our God, YHWH.

Kathi, did God send His only-begotten Son into the world?  Did God offer up His only-begotten Son as a sacrifice?

The answers to my questions will render your argument moot before you even make it.  Acts 13:33 can’t po…[Read more]

Adam:  Hi Proclaimer, do you mean Jesus did not really die like any mortal?

Jesus died like any other mortal.  If he did not die and be raised as a true mortal man, then what hope have we to die and be raised as true mortal men?

But to die as a mortal man does not mean to cease to exist entirely.

Luke 20:37-38… Even Moses demonstrates that t…[Read more]

The Great Disappointment of Parousia?

The Great Disappointment in the Millerite movement was the reaction that followed Baptist preacher William Miller’s proclamations that Jesus Christ would return to the Earth by 1844, what he called the Advent. His study of the Daniel 8 prophecy during the Second Great Awakening led him to the conclusion that…[Read more]

So that being said, back to that other route I’m trying…

There are only 3 possibilities, Adam…

1.  Jesus was indeed the prophesied Messiah, and God did miracles through him.

2.  Jesus was not who he claimed to be, and God did miracles through a liar.

3.  God never did miracles through Jesus at all.

Which of those 3 do you believe?

Adam:  Please prove Jesus as Jewish Messiah with the requirements as specified in Hebrew Bible and there ends the matter.

Mike:  Please first prove that God actually exists via the Hebrew Bible. 

Adam: It’s funny too as you are avoiding my question on Jesus’ Messiahship. I need not prove the existence of God based on Hebrew Bible as it’s a…

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@t8

Oh, don’t play dumb!
You are always saying that Jesus is not God, he is the Son of God.
But Trinitarians do believe that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten Son of God.
You can read it again.
Here is a quote from the Nicene Creed as adopted in 325:
“And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father the only-begotten; that i…[Read more]

Adam: I was arguing that God is not a man (or can not become a man). An immortal being can not become mortal if so there is no meaning of immortality.

There are different meanings of “immortal”.  It can mean “from AND to eternity” – as is the case with God.  It can also mean “to eternity” – as is the case with God’s spirit sons who are not FROM et…[Read more]

Carmel:  THERE IS A DISPUTE BETWEEN A LAWYER AND AN ARCHITECT !  DO YOU MEAN THAT A MEDIATOR CANNOT BE  ANOTHER  LAWYER OR ANOTHER ARCHITECT?

Not at all.  I’m telling you that if the dispute is between Architect John and Lawyer Jim, the mediator cannot be EITHER Architect John OR Lawyer Jim.  A mediator cannot be one of the parties he media…[Read more]

Carmel:  Thus Jesus is both created and not created!

the fact that all is created by him, in him, and for him!

Carmel, these are excerpts from the prayer of the Apostles in Acts 4…

When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea an…[Read more]

Miia…..Yes John did say, “even “now” there are “many” Antichrists .  That was said at the very beginning of the church imagine what it like “now” if at the beginning there were “many”.
Read the teachings of the Gnostic’s ,  who John was talking about,  compare it to the teaching of the Trinity,  and you have a match.
They preached that Jesus pr…[Read more]

Miia

Man of lawlessness takes his seat in the temple of God (body of mAn – plural). 

The temple of God or of the Holy Spirit ALSO means THE CHURCH as an assembly, a Body whose head is CHRIST 

Eph.2:  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fell…[Read more]

Man of lawlessness takes his seat in the temple of God (body of mAn – plural).