John1:1 Gene:  The language of the text in Gen 1:1&2,  does lend itsef to a past existence,  Mike.

You: Not even a chance, Gene.  Read…

Mark 10:6… But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

You: Will you now argue that by “the beginning of creation”, Jesus really meant, “14 billion years after the beginning of creation”?<…[Read more]

YOUR ARGUMENT IS DEBUNKED.

Not so fast. Lol.

Let me extrapolate some useful tidbits.

The question was:

In Micah 7:11, is the verse talking about a single 12 or 24 hour day? Yes or No.

Your answer is basically saying that it is NOT 12 or 24 hours.

So we have made progress. You admit that DAY  (yō·wm) is not always 12 or 24 hours. So this op…[Read more]

John1:1Gene:  The language of the text in Gen 1:1&2,  does lend itsef to a past existence,  Mike.

You: Not even a chance, Gene.  Read…

Mark 10:6… But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

You: Will you now argue that by “the beginning of creation”, Jesus really meant, “14 billion years after the beginning of creation”?…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Read that verse again with the scriptural word “messengers”, as it was written…

Hebrews 1:4 Young’s Literal Translation
…having become so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they.

Knowing that Jesus is a messenger and prophet of his and our God – so much so that he’s literally called “the…[Read more]

Gene, Kathi, Berean, Proclaimer, Jodi, everyone else…

Psalm 8:5… You made him a little lower than the gods; You crowned him with glory and honor.

King David said that Yahweh made mankind a little lower than the gods.  Do we all agree that David was talking about God’s heavenly sons (“angels”), and that they are openly called gods in…[Read more]

Adam:  El was the Canaanite father of the gods and therefore the father of the gods in the earliest Hebrew religion. 

Nonsense.  El is simply one of the singular Hebrew words for “god”.  Eloah is another singular version.  Elohim is the plural version.  And Elyon means the most high god.  Yahweh is called by all of those words in the Bible.…[Read more]

Mike

According to your knowledge what are the beings or the being
generated /made(ginomai) by God so much better than angels?

Adam:  I also differ from your interpretation of Deut 32:8-9 as the original text clearly states that Yahweh the god of Israelites was a subordinate to Most High (Elyon) and one among the sons of god (El may the Most High) as it is written “When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the pe…

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Gene:  The language of the text in Gen 1:1&2,  does lend itsef to a past existence,  Mike.

Not even a chance, Gene.  Read…

Mark 10:6… But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

Will you now argue that by “the beginning of creation”, Jesus really meant, “14 billion years after the beginning of creation”?

Berean:  Who(Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God…

That’s a bad translation, Berean.  Try this one…

Who, existing in the form of a god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped…

LU:  HN would be a  more intelligent place to discuss things regarding faith if this concept was not continually mis-understood by Proclaimer, Mike, and you, Gene and some others.

I created a new thread for the sole purpose of letting you explain our “misunderstandings” to us.  You balked because it was a public thread.  So then you created you…[Read more]

Berean:  The Son is the reflection of the glory of the Father, the very imprint of HIS PERSON.
WHICH MEANS AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT HE SHARES THE ATTRIBUTES OF HIS FATHER:

OMNIPOTENCE
OMNISCIENCE
OMNIPRESENCE….

We already know from Jesus that he isn’t omnipotent, since he tells us that he can do nothing without his own God.

And we know he is…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  He is the son of God, the messiah, and lord of God’s creation.

You must be a member of the Satanic cult of the Jehovah’s Witnesses!  Therefore I win this and any future scriptural debates!

See how utterly stupid those kinds of statements are, Proclaimer?  Did my statement actually REFUTE anything you said?  Nope.  It was nothin…[Read more]

Adam:  This is the reason why I always argue with Mike, Proclaimer  and Gene on Jesus who was declared as Co-person with God in all activities starting from the first creation and ending with new creation mainly based on the NT.

Nonsense.  The NT doesn’t teach any such “Co-person”, but instead an obedient servant and prophet of God named Jesus.

LU: The book of John claims that Jesus was _______…

A god who was with THE God in the beginning.

LU:  The book of Hebrews claims that Jesus was _______…

A god whose own God set him above his peers.

Carmel: The above scriptures Mike, determine The heaven and the earth of Genesis 1:1 originally created perfect, and also, at a certain moment in time there was a rebellion and nations were destroyed!

No they don’t.  You INTERPRET them that way, but they absolutely, positively do NOT “determine” what you say they do.

Berean:  I am not against TRUE SCIENCE, GOD’S SCIENCE. TO ME, THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS A FALSE SCIENCE.

That whole post was great, Berean.  But please let me elaborate on your statement above… there simply is no science behind the so-called “Theory of Evolution”.

Common descent evolution is the epitome of Scientism.  Ther…[Read more]

Proclaimer: God will renew the earth with fire next. So ask yourself how God will make a new heavens and new earth because you obviously have to hold that God will actually delete the current heavens and earth and rebuild a new one from scratch. If so, then to be consistent with your teaching, you are forced to also believe that you will not…

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..Mike……We’re not talking about other places in scriptures, we are talking about the language used in Gen 1v1&2,  non of that even has the words,  “he created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH on the (FIRST DAY) in it”, that is something you have added to that text.  Even the text you quoted in Exodus dosen’t say he created the “heavens” and earth in…[Read more]

Proclaimer: What I think you are really saying:

As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care about science until it goes along with my interpretation which is the stance that the SDA takes regarding this passage in THE WORD OF GOD.

What does SDA have to do with it?  When you argue that Jesus is the Son of God and not God Himself, has anyone ever said…[Read more]