Berean: Mike

It can be one of three possibilities.

Wow.  Why is this subject always like pulling teeth?  What are people so afraid of?

Okay Berean, let’s try all three of the possibilities listed by your source, since you won’t commit to one of them…

Psalm 8:5… You have made mankind a little lower than the gods…

1. The idols of the he…[Read more]

The DEFINITION of elohim is god/gods, Kathi.  Your memory is correct that the word is applied to what we in English call “angels”.  The writers of scripture didn’t ever call them “angels”.  They called them messengers, gods, sons of God, spirits, and demons.  In Ephesians 6:12, Paul calls them “the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly rea…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Let’s put this together to isolate the statement you are making that is relevant to my rebuttal.

Okay.

Proclaimer:  Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a 24 hour period is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a 24 hour period.

Well, you have half of it right.  Let me show the other h…[Read more]

The only begotten God is also The only begotten Son. He is not in the category of the other “sons of God.” It is possible that the other sons of God that were made through Jesus are considered gods in some sense. From what I remember, the word “elohim” has more than one definition which could include supernatural beings like angels. I don’t have…[Read more]

Mike,

I will address this one: WHY is Moses under the impression that our Creator is the Father – a single male entity?

The Arm/Word of the LORD “Jesus” was not revealed yet as Jesus. The Father created and acted upon creation through Jesus, His “arm/Word.”

Gene, you are taking the branch from one story and placing it into a completely different story. Stay in context and you will see that the vine is distinct from the branches. The vine supplies the branches so they can bear fruit. If they, someone other than the vine, does not bear fruit, it gets cut off and burnt. Jesus is the vine that supplies…[Read more]

Mike,

I just have a tiny amount of time to spend here due to my college work and family time. I might have more time for a dedicated thread after the semester, middle of May. I would be willing to consider it then. For now, there are too many questions to give attention to. Can you give me just one in the next few minutes and hopefully I can take…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Thus, the context shows that the days are NOT 24 hours long.

What context, exactly, shows that the six days of creation are “NOT 24 hours long”?

PROCLAIMER, I’M ADDRESSING YOUR POSTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO RIGHT NOW, AND BECAUSE UNLIKE YOU, I’M NOT AFRAID OF AN OPEN AND HEARTY DISCUSSION. BUT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE POSTING ANYTHING ON ANY THREAD UNTIL YOU ANSWER MY “MUST ANSWER” QUESTION ABOVE.  PLEASE HONOR YOUR OWN RULES AND THE RULES OF THIS THREAD BY ANSWERING THAT…[Read more]

Which explanation, Berean?  Your source lists three different ones – the first of which their own words disavow. 

Mike

It can be one of three possibilities.

God bless

Gene:  Mike,   “Hugh” problem, you still have , is your,  not understanding the word God , big or little, comes from the same word,  and is never describes the person, it describes  is “YOUR”,  relationship with any object that exists…

Perhaps you’re just not explaining this concept correctly.  Please copy and paste a scholarly writing that ex…[Read more]

Gene

To All…….the stumbling block is the word (WAS) that is  used there,  “and the earth was”. That word “was”, in the original Hebrew should be ,  (became) or (came to be). Exactly as eplained , it should read, the earth “became ” to-hu and bo-hu,  coruppted and void.  

Where does it say God created everything “perfect” at. Because…[Read more]

Mike,   “Hugh” problem, you still have , is your,  not understanding the word God , big or little, comes from the same word,  and is never describes the person, it describes  is “YOUR”,  relationship with any object that exists, that you “worship” and lean on for your power and strength, that’s  “YOUE” ”TRUE”, and can be anything or anyone living…[Read more]

Your “Get Out of Jail Free” card has already been addressed numerous times, including a thorough debunking in post 930774 on the first page of this very thread.  Unfortunately, you aren’t treating this as an actual discussion where each person freely and readily responds to the challenges of the other person, and so, as is the case with a dozen…

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To recap

Both Proclaimer and Mike agree that the Hebrew word for ‘day’ can be any length of time required for a thing that is started to finish. By that definition which we both agree to, the days of creation are not 24 hours long unless the context requires it. And it certainly does not for these main reasons.

God created the heavens and the…[Read more]

So another non-sequitur, huh? 🙄

Proclaimer, was “the flood of Noah’s day” a single 24-hour day, or 150 24-hour days? You can’t have it both ways, Mr. Double-Minded! 😅

Hmm… Maybe “the flood of Noah’s day” refers to a general time period that was comprised of 150 literal 24-hour days! 😎

Sometimes I seriously wonder about your intelligence le…

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So no, there is no contradiction.  We can talk about “back in the day when God created the heaven and earth”, but we can also talk about the exact day within that general time period that God created the sun, for example.</small

By jove I think he’s got it.

Now add in the fact that to God a day is a much longer period, and you have 6 days of c…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Carmel:  SO I repeat: THEY ARE NOT TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SAME CONCEPT!
They are talking about the same book of life that was written since the world began.

Revelation 13:8

English Standard Version… and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the b…[Read more]

To All…….the stumbling block is the word (WAS) that is  used there,  “and the earth was”. That word “was”, in the original Hebrew should be ,  (became) or (came to be). Exactly as eplained , it should read, the earth “became ” to-hu and bo-hu,  coruppted and void.  

Where does it say God created everything “perfect” at. Because God said it wa…[Read more]

2 Kings 1:2-4… Now Ahaziah had fallen through the lattice of his upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So he sent messengers, saying to them, “Go and consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, to see if I will recover from this injury.”

But the angel of Yahweh said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up and meet the messengers of the king of Samar…[Read more]