Proclaimer:

You said:

Your not building a house. You are buying one.

Wouldn’t you need more information in order to say that?

What if the person buying the house is the lead designer of the home building firm that is physically putting the house together, who (lead designer) not only bought the land, had the vision, drew the plans from their own…[Read more]

Proclaimer:

You said;

Then if you read it as theos as in nature not identity, then I agree.

Ok, that’s something anyway. I’m sure that you can see that the only begotten theos would not be the same person as the only unbegotten theos, correct?

Can you agree that the only true theos would be the only unbegotten theos?

Can you agree that the only…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

ME: ANSWER MIKE PLEASE:

In the above description when a human being is CREATED, FORMED, MADE, AND ESTABLISHED,

is it all the same exact thing for you?

YOU: YES OR NO PLEASE!
YES.  And not just for me, but for all rational people.

ME: Mr. RATIONAL!

LET’S SEE HOW RATIONAL YOU ARE:

PRODUCE THE APPROPRIATE RATIONAL ANSWER FOR T…[Read more]

Hi to all

Daily Devotional

GOSPEL SHOES

AN AMAZING FACT: The world record for “walking” on one’s hands is held by Sarah Chapman of the United Kingdom. She travelled on her hands 16,404 feet in eight hours on June 3, 2002.
The most famous “walk” in history was probably taken by Neil Armstrong on July 21, 1969, after the Apollo 11 lunar modu…[Read more]

Hi Carmel

I don’t doubt heaven or heavens where God the Father, Jesus and the good angels are, but in Genesis 1;2 it is not about heaven of heavens where God the Father is.
Peter in the context does not mean either the heavens where God is (paradise)

God bless

Mike even the word (was) in  English  does not mean it “always” existed that way.  Example,

The car “was” red doesn’t mean it “now”  is red.  But at one time it became or came to be red.

The apple was red, or ripe, of dosen’t mean it now is , it just mean at a time it became those things.

Let’s,  let the English definition settle this ok.…[Read more]

Do you agree that this is just as true according to the NASV1995:

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and the only begotten God, Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

If that is just as true and let’s assume it is, although I cannot vouch for that. Then if you read it as theos as in nature not identity, then I agree.

For those who haven’t been following along, Proclaimer has gotten himself into some real trouble on our private thread.  Every single argument he has made has been thoroughly and scripturally debunked by me.  And now he is unable to reasonably answer my “Must Answer” questions, and is stalling with irrelevant pontification.  Here are the question…

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Sorta like I am building a house through so and so the house builder.

Your not building a house. You are buying one.

The “He” is the Father. The Father made the world through his Son.Sorta like I am building a house through so and so the house builder.

When it says “HE made the world”, who is the He?

Mike,

Hebrews 1:1-2…  On many past occasions… God spoke to our fathers through the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us through His Son… through whom He also made the world.

As I read that, the verse identifies the Son as the one through whom the Father made the world. That clearly identifies the Son as making the world under…[Read more]

I think those writers are clearly identifying the Father who made them, not merely emphasizing Him over someone else. Also, why emphasize the Father when the Son is the one who literally made them? 🤔

But okay, what do you do with scriptures that identify the Son as someone other than the Creator? For example…

Hebrews 1:1-2…  On many past…[Read more]

Mike,

Thanks for the verses. You asked “Are you suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son, and Spirit is our “Father”?

I’m suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son and Spirit contains our “Father” as well as His Son and Their Spirit. The Father is the head of the Unity. Those verses are emphasizing the Father. One verse mentions the wor…[Read more]

Deuteronomy 32:6… Is this the way you repay Yahweh, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?

Malachi 2:10… Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?

Isaiah 64:8… Yet you, Yahweh, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hands.

Mike,

You said:

Many scriptures identify “the Father” as our Creator.  Are you suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son, and Spirit is our “Father”?

Can you put up a specific verse or a couple of them that say “Father” specifically.

Eureka, Berean!  They are indeed what we call angels. They are God’s spirit sons, and they are also gods – just like Yahweh and just about everyone else in the Bible calls them. 👍

Hi Brean,

You: NOW THE WORD “HEAVENS”

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Shamayim

dual of an unused singular shameh {shaw-meh’}; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):–air, X astrologer, heaven(…[Read more]

Hi Mike

Hey Berean!  I whittled down your three options to the only option that works.  What is your response

Me

Pss.138
I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

the most plausible 👉 gods= angels

God bless