Proclaimer, and all…….You need to really read what the Greek word (dia) actually means.  IT ACTUALL IS  saying that,  Jesus (as represention  of perfected humanity) was what God the Father had in mind, before he ever created any human being on this earth including Adam himself. 

Jesus is the very reason for all human creation. He is the very…[Read more]

Hi to all

Daily Devotional,

FERVENT AND URGENT PRAYER WILL BRING DIVINE HELP

Strive to enter through the narrow door. For, I tell you, many will seek to enter, and will not be able. (Luke 13.24)

Christ withstood many temptations for our sake and offered us, in his name, the means to stand up to Satan. When we are overwhelmed and driven…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

You: I see Jesus, as a human being exactly as we are,

PRODUCE SCRIPTURE THAT CLEARLY SAYS SUCH THINGS!

EXACTLY AS WE ARE! LET’S SEE:

Luke 1:35 And the angel answering, said to her:

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,

and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee.

And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee…[Read more]

Jesus is not co-creator  God is the creator. God made all things through and for the son of God. If there was no son or sons/inhabitants,  then God probably wouldn’t have created the universe.

Satan want us all to make Jesus different then the rest of humanity , the moving away of Jesus’ exact idenity with his human brothers and sister is “exact’ what Satan wants and his minister on this earth carry it out for him to this very day.

Gene,
That’s not the deception.
The devil and his freemasons want to deceive every…[Read more]

Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ?

This is the controversial question on creation of God when we go through the creation stories available in the Hebrew Bible. If Jesus the first century Jew was made co-creator with God in beginning of the creation of this universe how come he becomes a pure human being born of a woman? Is…[Read more]

Carmel…….No,  thats the way you people present him, NOT ME,  I see Jesus , as a human being exactly as we are, who with the power of God the Fathers Spirit,  being “in” him , overcame sin and walked a perfect life in “obedience” to God, his Father and our Father , his God and our God.  I do not take away Jesus’ hunan idenity away from him, nor…[Read more]

PROCLAIMER……But you don’t see Jesus as a “real” Second Adam,  why ?, because you give Jesus a great advantage over Adam, that advantage was a preexisting life as a perfect “non” human being. Who you  believed was “morphed”,  into a human body. 

Why would a perfect preexisting being empty himself of a perfect eternal life, and then cry out…[Read more]

Hi to all

Daily Devotional

UNUSUAL WEATHER

AN AMAZING FACT: The fastest temperature rise ever recorded was in Spearfish, South Dakota, on January 22, 1943, when it climbed 49 degrees in only two minutes.
There have been many more strange and amazing weather records set since the use of accurate instruments and official confirmations. For…[Read more]

Mike lost this debate. He has no answers to the evidence given in this topic. He is speechless. Gobsmacked. Stunned.

When it’s summer in the southern hemisphere, or outer rim, the sun would have to cover a far greater distance in 24 hours than when it is on its tighter circle when its summer in the northern hemisphere or inner ring. It would have to travel faster along the sky to cover this increased distance.

Adam…….exactly right! If Jesus was a perfect “preexisting being” of any kind , and then come to earth “disguised” as a human being, it would prove apsolutely “nothing” to anyone.

Incorrect Gene.

First off, it is not a disguise. He emptied himself and came in the flesh.

Secondly, such a being who was first with God and came to be with us a…[Read more]

How it feels to be on the receiving end of an ignorant flat earther
I’m from NZ, so from my observation and experience, if the earth was flat, this would be the map. It agrees with my travel experience between NZ and South America as well as witnesses I know who have been to the South pole and Antarctica in general.

But this would be almost…[Read more]

BUT WHAT IF THE MICAH PROPHECY HAD SAID THIS…

IN THE EVENING OF THE FIRST DAY OF REBUILDING YOUR WALLS, PEOPLE WILL COME TO YOU FROM ASSYRIA, AND BY THE MORNING OF THE SECOND DAY OF REBUILDING YOUR WALLS, THEY WILL BEGIN TO ARRIVE FROM THE CITIES OF EGYPT.

THEN WOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT LITERAL DAYS?  YES OR NO?

Yes I agree that you could reword…[Read more]

Please remove posts #932390 and #932418 from this thread.  They are not related to our current discussion, nor the topic of this thread in general.

This discussion is called “The Bible vs Scientism”. Those posts are very on topic Mike.

My Question

The verse you presented DOESN’T have a numerical value (a number) attributed to the word “day”. And it DOESN’T contain the word “morning”. It does contain the Greek word “phósphoros”, in its ONLY use in the entire Bible. It literally means “the bringing of light” or “radiant/radiance”. It is translated as “day-star” and “morning…

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I’m from NZ, so from my observation and experience, if the earth was flat, this would be the map.

Hi Gene,

You:   A perfect “preexisting” being comes to earth “disguised” as a human, walks perfectly gives up his “morphed” flesh, goes back where he was before, and gets “back” his previously held glory.  All of that would prove absolutely “nothing” , to anyone. 

ME: answer Gene please:

WAS JESUS ACCORDING TO YOU, WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE?

I MEAN…[Read more]