Proclaimer: Think of a random lump of clay. Does it have form? 

Yes.  All physical things have a form. Apparently even God and His spirit sons too, since they have hands and feet and wings and mouths, etc.

Proclaimer:  So the planet existed, but had no form. It seems that it was probably a round rock covered in water. Something that some scie…

[Read more]

Jodi

Find me a biblical text that speaks of a human person “WHO WAS MADE FLESH” (sarx)
apart from Jesus

3561

sarx

probably from the base of sarow – saroo 4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), i.e. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external,…[Read more]

Mike: Proclaimer, gravity is solely an ATTRACTIVE force.  There is no point of equilibrium.  The two stationary bodies in that video would have moved closer and closer together until they collided with each other.  They wouldn’t get to a certain distance away from each other and then stop there because of some “anti-gravity repelling force”.…

[Read more]

Joshua 6:2-15… Then Yahweh said to Joshua… March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days…  On the seventh day, march around the city seven times…

IS GOD TALKING TO JOSHUA ABOUT SIX LITERAL DAYS FOLLOWED BY A SEVENTH LITERAL DAY?  YES OR NO?

Exodus 20:9-11… Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the sevent…[Read more]

Berean and anyone else,

If Jesus existed as a perfect Son from the beginning and he is also a firstborn of many brethren where we are joint heirs with him being heirs of God, then why wouldn’t God have just made us like him from the beginning?

Hi Berean,

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

By ONE MAN (anthropos/human). You speak directly against this clear/straightforward scripture.

By ONE HUMAN, specifica…[Read more]

The above scriptures tell us that only by ONE HUMAN could we be redeemed and there is good reason for that, reason that makes perfect sense.  The Son of Man, Jesus Christ, as he sits now at God’s right hand is a firstborn of many brethren having been raised from the dead receiving the promised Holy Spirit. Where the Spirit is there is…[Read more]

HI JODI

IF JESUS WAS JUST A MAN, HE NEVER COULD HAVE BEEN THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
JESUS WAS AND IS MUCH MORE THAN A MAN: HE IS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD BEGOTTEN IN THE DAYS OF ETERNITY AND MADE FLESH PRINCIPALLY FOR OUR SALVATION.
IF HE HAD BEEN BUT A MAN, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER CONDEMNATION OF DIVINE LAW, AND NEVER COULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  It’s hard to see the curvature of the earth from an altitude of 7 miles or 37,000 ft (typical cruising altitude of a jetliner)…  The line of sight from an aircraft at 37,000 feet = 235 miles.

Wait a minute.  The horizon is the point we cannot see beyond because the earth is curving away from us.  That point is 3 miles away for a…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  It’s one more nail in the coffin. And I am not claiming that pillars are people, but people can be like pillars. They can be pillars of society or pillars of the church. You lack spiritual understanding. When you are born from above, you are born of the Spirit.

Psalm 75:3… The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I…[Read more]

Mike:  You claiming that “pillars are people” and “a ball can look like a circle” isn’t exactly a case of “thoroughly testing and debunking” anything.

 

Proclaimer:  It’s one more nail in the coffin. And I am not claiming that pillars are people, but people can be like pillars. They can be pillars of society or pillars of the church. You lack…

[Read more]

Romans 5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.<…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Pretty sure I have addressed all your concerns. Maybe you are too blind to see?

Well, I’ve laid out quite a few of them in post #933448, which is only six posts above your post that I’m answering right now.  I’ll continue on through the thread (I’m responding as I go) to see if you addressed that post in any way, shape or form.

Proclaimer, “Anyone who teaches that Jesus Christ did not exist with God in the beginning of creation is denying what the scriptures teach. Anyone who denies that God created all things through the son of God is also denying what the scriptures teach.”

Jesus absolutely did not pre-exist in the beginning of creation and those who believe such not…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  To hold your view, you must believe that Shatner lied. Otherwise you have to admit that he saw the curve.

In reality, those are not the only two options.  The fact that you think they are says a lot about your intelligence level.

Proclaimer:  I guess Neil is saying to be assured of seeing it, you have to be higher….

Thus, Neil is…

[Read more]

YHVH is not a unity.

LU, their is ONE God THE FATHER, one God and Father to us all, INCLUDING the firstborn of the dead, our brother Yeshua. Our Father APPOINTED our brother to be a king of kings and a lord of lords over us.

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  This is the sort of ridicule Flat Earthers who claim to be Christians enable amongst the Atheist community. The fruit is bad.

Do these same atheists also ridicule the idea that Noah could have carried two of each kind in a boat that survived a worldwide flood?  Do they ridicule the very idea of a “Magical Sky Daddy” in general?

And s…[Read more]

Berean:  Yes, but persisting in wanting to convince people that the earth is not flat, but a globe, is counterproductive. Especially since your arguments on Genesis 1 are not sufficiently convincing, it must be said.

And what does that tell you, Berean?  His “arguments” against scripture on the shape of our world are even less convincing.  Like I…[Read more]

Berean: To all

The globular or flat earth is not a part of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, BUT A DISTRACTION THAT CREATES ENDLESS POTTERY.

Tell me, does this topic tend to promote true Christian fellowship?
Does this advance you in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
AND AGAIN, DOES THIS DEBATE FAVOR THE SOULS TO COME TO…

[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Did Jesus ever say he was a Spirit, no in fact,  he said he was,  “not a Spirit”,  do you need me to quote that also for you Carmel? , because I can quote it for you,  

Me: Yes please DO SO!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ