Proclaimer: Which you are using as YOUR argument to convince berean. So take responsibility.

Yes, I clearly used a few paragraphs from Eric Dubay’s “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball”.

Proclaimer:  If not the scientific consensus, then who exactly is Eric and yourself trying to debunk in this 200 BS proofs?

This is a real question Mike. W…

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Mike:  That was my point, Gene.  The waters above the firmament are ABOVE the sun, moon, and stars.  

Berean:  Hi Mike,

Biblically that is correct.
AND clouds are BELOW THE SUN, MOON AND STARS…RIGHT?

Yes Berean… that is Biblically and scientifically correct.  The Bible doesn’t lie about the age of our world or the shape of it.  Real science…[Read more]

Jodi: The fact of the matter is Luke 3:23 is saying that Jesus is the son of Joseph and Mathew makes it certain that we are to believe that he is a bio son of Joseph.

How many times do we have to go through this?  Jodi, did Mary become pregnant by Joseph?  Yes or No please.

Jodi:  …wouldn’t people have just supposed that Joseph, being Mary’…

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Jodi: This was THE WORD that was made true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth…

You listed an Isaiah passage in which Yahweh prophesied about a coming PERSON, and then concluded that this PERSON was the word(s) that Yahweh spoke.  🤔

By the way, John doesn’t say the Word came to be “made true IN the flesh of Jesus”, Jodi.  He says the Word BE…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

The fact of the matter is Luke 3:23 is saying that Jesus is the son of Joseph and Mathew makes it certain that we are to believe that he is a bio son of Joseph. Don’t lose sight of that. But with that being said, I am wondering if it crossed your mind, that the author of Luke is saying that people thought Joseph was Jesus’s father just…[Read more]

Jodi: The bible doesn’t contradict, you just misinterpret.

You haven’t mentioned a single contradiction in my interpretation of scripture – and so I don’t know why you would even say such a thing.  Maybe expose one of my contradictions first, and then we can talk about who is misinterpreting what.

Thanks.

Jodi: As far as Jesus being the root of David,

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the of…

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Hi Mike,

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Don’t you believe that Jesus left his glory behind when he became flesh? 

THE WORD OF GOD,

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I…[Read more]

Jodi: Hi Mike,

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being#stm5752 (as was supposed/Nomizo/to think) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Jesus was the son of Joseph just as people thought he was.

I conceded the “according to the flesh” argument because in each case, it doesn’t unequivocally mean what I…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Jesus is the ONLY mortal man to have received the Spirit not by measure. That is HUGE! We are told that is WHEN he was SENT and HOW he was able to go and do God’s work, that is how he was able to be our savior.

The flesh profits us nothing. Meaning that there is nothing within man himself that can bring him to the kingdom of God. Jesus…[Read more]

Jodi:  You say Mike a spirit entity needed to come down to earth and be MADE INTO FLESH to be our savior.

No.  Rather I say what the Bible says… that Jesus was existing in one form, emptied himself and was made into a different form.  I don’t use the word “needed”, but only repeat what the Bible teaches.

Jodi:  Jesus however says that he cou…

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Pretender, first of all, I didn’t say those words above.  That was a copy/paste from Eric Dubay’s “200 Proofs”.

Which you are using as YOUR argument to convince berean. So take responsibility.

Secondly, there is nothing within Eric’s statement that says anything whatsoever about what “science says” about the reason for the seasons on earth.

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Jodi: Mike, do you agree that Jesus having been anointed with the Spirit at the river Jordan thus made him the anointed, our Christ? 

Hard to say.  Was Cyrus God’s prophesied anointed one from the moment he was born?  Or did he become that when he wrote his decree to rebuild Jerusalem?  What do you think?

Jodi: Jesus said, a man must be born of w…

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Jodi:  My problem Mike, is that it’s all about YHVH’s Spirit coming to dwell in a man and what that Spirit accomplished in that man once he was sent out into the world…

Yahweh’s Spirit came to dwell in MANY men all throughout the Bible.  That has nothing to do with whether or not Jesus preexisted his time on earth.  This part of your argume…[Read more]

Jodi:  Paul spoke of himself also concerning the flesh, he like Jesus was an Israelite according to the flesh, Jesus’s fathers were Israelites.

Fair enough…

Romans 9:6-7… For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children.

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@danny

Danny God called the raqia heaven and scripture is clear that God is in heaven. So you need to place God below the waters if you are sticking to your definition of raqia / dome. Please amend. If not,then you do not really believe this and you should be honest about that.

Mike,

You seemed to have missed my point that Jesus right afterwards in Matthew 24 said that these Pharisees were BLIND.

How convenient for you that you see them as blind to one thing but it’s not possible for them to be blind to another.

Concerning David calling Jesus lord,

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Jodi:  How Adam came to be a human, how Eve came to be a human and how Cain came to be a human all occurred in different ways. This is the same for Jesus…

Thank you.  That’s exactly what I’m saying.  All human.  All came to be human by different means, although Jesus and Eve are by very similar means.

Jodi:  I would also like for you to addr…

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Jodi:  Here is the thing Mike, Matthew tells us directly that Joseph is Jesus’s bio father. 

Matthew actually makes it abundantly clear that Joseph couldn’t possibly be Jesus’ bio father, since Mary became pregnant with Jesus before she had ever been with Joseph – and that Joseph, knowing about her condition, was even going to divorce her bec…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

NO, Adam was not made into a one of a kind being, he was made into a human being the first of his kind. Cain was not made into a one of a kind being, he was made into a human being.

How Adam came to be a human, how Eve came to be a human and how Cain came to be a human all occurred in different ways. This is the same for Jesus, he was…[Read more]