@Keith

One of my sons lives in NY also. I’m in TN, in the Bible Belt of America. 🙂

So you have been a JW basically all your life. Do JW’s say that they are Christians? Do you know where in the Bible it is written where God the Father identifies Jesus as Jehovah?

@Keith,

Its called justice– A perfect mortal man sinned and lost a good standing with God for all his descendants.

Adam was punished for his sin, but did G-d reject him for it? NO!!

Justice = A perfect mortal man lived a sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

Are you saying the Jesus lived a…[Read more]

Hi Lightenup. I live in NY state, The JW,s knocked on my parents door in 1961. I was 4 then. Where are you from? I like the 3 g,s–God, golf, guitar.

desiretruth— Jesus healed on the sabbath- They thought it was not allowed. The apostles picked grains of wheat on the sabbath, they thought it was not allowed. They twisted things.

Desiretruth–They rejected Jesus because they had haughty hearts and he told them they were wrong on many counts. A mere carpenters son telling the elite spiritual leaders they were wrong.

Desiretruth- Its called justice– A perfect mortal man sinned and lost a good standing with God for all his descendants. Justice = A perfect mortal man lived a sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice. This opened the door to all mankind to go in through the narrow gate and have an opportunity to…[Read more]

@Berean,

Will any of this be forced on anyone? Will people be arrested and thrown in jail if they disagree will this bill?

Besides our national motto IS “In G-d We Trust.” Are you saying “We the People” shouldn’t be placing our trust in G-d? Shouldn’t we have this on display to remind everyone where our trust should be? Oh wait, it’s printed on…[Read more]

The Push to Advance America’s Religious Revival Through Federal Law Has Begun
 

The first of many federal efforts to strengthen America’s religious identity has begun. Rededicate 250—with its national Sunday worship ceremony and widespread calls for revival—was one major example of religion being elevated at the federal level. But these efforts…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

The Old Testament does not explicitly say the Messiah comes twice.

Absolutely, so why do you believe the Jesus will come twice?

But there appears to be two phases in the prophecies. A suffering and rejection, then later glory and kingship.

“Suffering and rejection” of whom; to be later awarded “glory and kingship”? The sufferi…[Read more]

@Keith,

They listened to Law( but added to many burdens along with those laws) their hearts were haughty, not humble as should have been.

What examples do you have of them adding to the law; Moses warned of adding or taking away from the law (Deut 4:2). There hearts were “haughty” and not “humble”, where do we read this?

@Kieth,

Jesus said the Israelite spiritual leaders father was the devil. It has not changed as long as they reject the Messiah.

Why did the religious leaders reject the Jesus?

@Kieth,

Where we left of I asked if you could provide a passage that says the innocent can take the responsibility of the guilty. I also asked to provide a passage where G-d says he was sending someone to take on the sins mankind and be a moderator on their behalf (G-d only spoke in the Tanakh, so it has to be found there and not in the NT). Have…[Read more]

The Old Testament does not explicitly say the Messiah comes twice. But there appears to be two phases in the prophecies. A suffering and rejection, then later glory and kingship. Judaism generally does not read these as two separate comings of the same Messiah, whereas logically speaking, it would normally take at least two phases.
Rejected
Isaiah…[Read more]

@Keith
Hi Keith, thanks for joining me over here. Could you tell me a little about yourself like when you became a JW and anything you would like me to know about you? Do you live in the States?

Lightenup, I would be happy to discuss bible truth with you. You can start, ask a question please.

Desire truth–Jesus said the Israelite spiritual leaders father was the devil. It has not changed as long as they reject the Messiah.

THE COMING SUNDAY LAW
The Final Test Of Loyalty

Prophecy warns that the final crisis on earth will center around worship, obedience, and God’s authority. Revelation 13 describes a power that appears lamb-like at first, speaking the language of peace, liberty, morality, and unity, yet eventually exercises coercive authority and speaks “as a d…[Read more]

@Keith

Amen, Jesus is the Messiah! I set up a one-on-one discussion with you to discuss and share our beliefs. I’m not a JW but always like to discuss the distinctions. If interested, go to the discussion here: https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/lightenup-keith-discussion/#post-948050

Hope to see you there,

Lightenup (LU)