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The highest wind speed ever recorded on earth occurred at Barrow Island, Australia. During typhoon Olivia, the wind reached 253 miles per hour. For more than 60 years, the Mount Washington Observatory in New Hampshire boasted that it had recorded the fastest wind speed on Earth. In 1934, the observatory…[Read more]

Proclaimer : Let me help you berean.

First, we need to let scripture speak.

If we believe scripture, then we need to understand the truth that God called the raqia / expanse – heaven, and God dwells in heaven.

Me:

Do you believe that GOD WAS IN HIS HEAVEN “BEFORE” CREATING “THE RAQIYA”
YES OR NO?

Thanks

Let me help you berean.

First, we need to let scripture be deal with it.

If we believe scripture, then we need to understand the truth that God called the expanse – heaven, and God dwells in heaven.

Next, we already know that God is above all from many other scriptures.

So how do we reconcile?

Easy. we adjust our view of raqia.

If it b…[Read more]

Before creating the heaven and the earth on which we live, God WAS IN HIS HEAVEN, WITH HIS SON AND HIS HOLY ANGELS.

AND THEREFORE THE RAQIYA WHICH HE MADE MUCH LATER WHICH IS BETWEEN THE TWO WATERS CANNOT BE THE PLACE OF GOD’S PERSONAL DWELLING.

BTW, when are you going to bring back the sun?

If I was a flattie, my inability to do that would make me seriously think about my belief.

Not you it seems.

Good question Gene.

But you know that Mike will have your post deleted because this is a private discussion.

Could I suggest you post that in the FE topic or even better, start up a Hot Seat discussion with him to force an answer from him.

2.  Name the something that is IN the raqia.

God called the expanse – heaven and God dwells in heaven.

The Hebrew word for firmament is “raqia”.  The Hebrew word for heaven is “shamayim”.

Now for your next step.

And God called the raqia shamayim.

It’s in Genesis 1:8 which is scripture.

Believe it or not.

But your decision doesn’t change the reality of it being scripture.

The Hebrew word for firmament is “raqia”.  The Hebrew word for heaven is “shamayim”.

Now for your next step.

And God called the raqia shamayim.

It’s in Genesis 1:8 which is scripture.

Believe it or not.

But your decision doesn’t change the reality of it being scripture.

Proclaimer:  <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>But this minor point of yours changes nothing.</span>

Actually, you don’t know how major it was for me.  But no more time tonight.

Mike: I think you’re getting confused because God NAMED the firmament “heaven”.  Raqia doesn’t actually MEAN “heaven”.  That is a different Hebrew word.

So when the Bible talks of three different heavens, it is not talking about three different raqias.  There is still only one of those, and it is the second of the three different heavens.…

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There are a number of explanations.

1. The waters are above heaven can mean that they are above God because He dwells IN heaven. But not likely. So why are you not making that argument when you pretty much do it elsewhere. IN, ABOVE, BELOW is what you are saying. So be consistent and place your God below the waters.
2. He has a Babylonian…

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Proclaimer:  Mike’s doctrine is based on misunderstandings.

Proclaimer, why did the psalmist tell the waters above heaven to praise Yahweh in verse four, and then later tell the clouds to praise Yahweh in verse 8?

What is your direct and honest answer?  Thanks.

But as far as I know, there just isn’t enough info in the Bible to definitively tell what they really did know about the world.

Same goes for you Mike.

Mike: Yes. When God created the raqia and named it heaven, it was the ONLY heaven.

 

Berean:  you mean in the sight of men?

Don’t you believe that Adam and Eve had knowledge of God’s HEAVEN (HIS THRONE)?

Adam and Eve must have known that God dwelt somewhere outside of their world.  It’s hard to say what they knew about the world, since there…[Read more]

How can you seriously say that clouds are IN the sky… but also the waters that are ABOVE the sky?

There are three layers of heaven or three heavens.

There is a separation of the waters and the top layer is above the raqia that exists between the waters.

Water Above

Expanse / Sky / Space

Water Below

I’m not saying this is how it is, but that i…[Read more]

Gene:  Proclaimer……To me the simplest way of saying it is, heaven is  the sky above. The clouds are in the sky…

It’s like I’m talking to a brick wall.  Gene, if heaven is “the sky above”, and clouds are IN the sky – as YOU just claimed – then why can’t you see that clouds can’t be the waters ABOVE “the sky above”?

How can you seriously say tha…[Read more]

I think you’re getting confused because God NAMED the firmament “heaven”.  Raqia doesn’t actually MEAN “heaven”.  That is a different Hebrew word.

So when the Bible talks of three different heavens, it is not talking about three different raqias.  There is still only one of those, and it is the second of the three different heavens.

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 I think the best thing to do is not respond to him,  and just see where he takes his new converts  Berean and Danny to.

That would be handy. I prefer quality conversation than quantity any day.

To me the simplest way of saying it is, heaven is  the sky above.

Agreed. Some translations agree too.

Mike’s doctrine is based on misunderstandings.

Mike: Yes. When God created the raqia and named it heaven, it was the ONLY heaven. 

Me :you mean in the sight of men?

Don’t you believe that Adam and Eve had knowledge of God’s HEAVEN (HIS THRONE)?
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