Now, about that “water outside the universe”.  No go, Champ.  God opened the windows of the firmament and allowed some of the waters above to flood the earth.  Impossible in the “waters outside the universe” safety device that you just invented out of desperation.

Sounds like clouds to me.

Mike  you guys claim to bring back small boats from over the supposed curve. Great. Now for something easier. Bring back the sun.

Cat got your tongue?

Mike, you are  desparately drawing at straws. Instead  get your camera gear and bring back the sun. Challenge us with facts. We will never believe the ramblings of a nutter. Give us something substantial to work with. But I guess you can’t right?

Notice how the first line doesn’t quite match the second. “You were RIGHT all along… but you have also been WRECKED by the facts!” 😁

Nope.

I have never said this is the only interptetation. I have simply put forth a few views that you couldn’t debunk. And I still think one particular view makes more sense than the others both biblically and sci…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Further, in the Jewish calendar the year is 5783.

Yep, the world is about 6000 years old right now – give or take a few hundred.

Hi Jodi.  Happy Sunday.

It’s more likely than not that Micah 5:2 speaks of Jesus’s literal origins being from very ancient times.  I understand and acknowledge that you don’t WANT that to be the case, but it remains the most logical straightforward understanding of the Hebrew text.

It’s also more likely than not that John 8:58 has Jesus a…[Read more]

AD doesn’t mean after death or after Christ. It means Anno Domini, the year of our lord. That is his birth.

Pretender: …even if you are right about the raqia thing, it doesn’t prove a flat earth. I admit it is possible that there could be water outside the universe…

 

You have been totally wrecked with the facts, but just ignore them.

Notice how the first line doesn’t quite match the second.  “You were RIGHT all along… but you have also been WR…[Read more]

LU:  Mike, Jesus is claiming to be the elohim of Psalms 82:8.

No he’s not, based on his own reply to the Jews.  When he references Psalm 82, he mentions only that other spirit sons of God were also called gods.  He doesn’t mention the “O God” in verse 8 – so whether or not that particular “O God” is Yahweh or His holy servant Jesus is ir…[Read more]

Sorry to burst your bubble Mike, but even if you are right about the raqia thing, it doesn’t prove a flat earth. I admit it is possible that there could be water outside the universe, but I seriously doubt it. So if this is the best you can do, then you might want to take up another hobby.

You have been totally wrecked with the facts, but just…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Psalm 148 clearly distinguishes clouds as something OTHER THAN the waters above heaven.

What is your response to that Biblical fact?

Mike……Your grabing straws again, no one IN THEIR RIGHT MIND,  believes, the earth is “flat” !  Only a complete “IDOIT” would “EVER BELIEVE”  that, in todays world, with all the proof that are available to everyone, every “SINGLE” day,   END OF STORY!

ANYONE who reads  Genesis 1:1 , can easely tell that the “heavens”, and the “earth” were…[Read more]

Mike: Therefore, the waters above are not only above the raqia, but also above the luminaries that are IN the raqia.

 

It doesn’t matter if you call it “skies”, because then the luminaries would be IN the skies and the waters would still be ABOVE the skies.

 

Pretender: Great, let’s call it skies then.

 

God makes some sky between the water…

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Mike: Berean, 👍🙂🙏😁

 

Proclaimer: Translation:  As long as you support flat earth and myself, I will give you a thumbs up.

See, this is what 14 years of practice does for me.  I immediately recognize that your mindless insult-laden fluff piece is your way of admitting defeat while trying to keep your prideful superiority complex in…[Read more]

Pretender: Yes, the Lord dwells in heaven.

But are you saying that heaven was not created?

If it was, then before creation God was not in heaven.

Simple.

Yep, it really IS that simple.  That’s why Berean and Danny both posted information on this subject for you… information that you ignored despite Danny throwing it back in the thread and t…[Read more]

Berean:  The raqyia of Genesis 1 IS SPECIFIC AND FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE   THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS EVOLVE ON IT (UPPER LAYER) AND THE BIRDS ALSO. NOT FORGETTING THE CLOUDS (BOTTOM LAYER)

 

Proclaimer:  What is the main proof you have to support this? Keep it simple please.

 

Berean:  This is what Genesis 1 teaches.

 

Proclaimer: 

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Pretender and Gene (As Seen on TV) Balthop…

FACT #1… The Hebrew word “yowm” – just like our English word “day” – can be used idiomatically to refer to a general, unspecified period of time, ie: “back in the day of Abraham Lincoln”.

FACT #2…  The plural word “days” has never – in the Bible or in the entire history of mankind – been used in…[Read more]

To all…….I believe Jesus’ death is off by 33 years,  notice how they calculate the years , as BC , (BEFORE CHRIST) , and the AD,  (AFTER CHRIST)   what happened to the years of his life , they left it out, Jesus lived 33 years aprox. Between his birth and his death  right.  So we must pick them up some where right , we have to add the 33 years…[Read more]

Pretender:  God called the raqia – heaven. Is there just one heaven.

There is just one raqia.  Stars are IN it, and waters are ABOVE it.  Trying to conflate raqia and heaven exposes your desperation as much as when you try to insert a bunch of illegitimate words for raqia.

The bottom line is that you can call the raqia “expanse”, “sky”, “hea…[Read more]

Proclaimer said……..”I think this might explain berean is in the SDA. Organisations like that do your thinking for you and attract people who want answers, but not have to seek deeply for them, but have them handed on a plate. So they end up with a form of blind faith because is it not written that some will hear the words, “I never knew y…[Read more]