God is eternal.

He inhabits creation by his Spirit.

He is outside creation because not even heaven can contain him.

His Spirit flows from the throne of God and the river of life through the paradise of God.

Beyond the throne is God.

Proclaimer

1 Kings 8:27
But will God really inhabit the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain you; how much less this house that I built?

Jeremiah 23:24
Will anyone stand in a hidden place, Unseen by me? says the Lord. Do I not fill the heavens and the earth? says the Lord.

How does God fill the heavens and the…[Read more]

Yes, the Lord dwells in heaven.

But are you saying that heaven was not created?

If it was, then before creation God was not in heaven.

Simple.

If heaven always existed and God is inside. Then is heaven bigger than God like earth is bigger than you?

Something for you to meditate on.

One more.

In a flat earth, how can the Tropic of Capricorn have less circumference than the equator?

Definitely good night.

Therefore, the waters above are not only above the raqia, but also above the luminaries that are IN the raqia.

It doesn’t matter if you call it “skies”, because then the luminaries would be IN the skies and the waters would still be ABOVE the skies.

Great, let’s call it skies.

So there is a sky and a watery planet. God makes some sky betwe…[Read more]

The Flat earth sun must be travelling at mach 2.7. Lol.
Flat-earthers like to complain about the equator moving at 1,000 mph due to the earth spinning. But if the Sun is over one point on Earth and 12 hours later is over another point on the opposite side, something must be traveling thousands of miles per hour.

Let’s look at the flat-earth model…[Read more]

Jodi,

You said:

 Jesus is being declared in the book of Matthew a rightful heir to David’s throne through being the bio son of Joseph.

I say that Jesus is being declared in the book of Matthew, a rightful heir to David’s throne through being the bio son of Mary who is married to Joseph who is of the line of David.

I do think that Gabriel wo…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

IF THE FATHER ALONE CAN BE “GOD” FOR JOHN, THEN THERE’S NO REASON THAT THE FATHER ALONE CAN’T ALWAYS BE “GOD” FOR EVERYONE.

But John speaks of two who are theos. It is only the Father theos that is unseen. The other theos mentioned is seen and is in the bosom of the Father.

For John, both the unseen Father and the Son who explain…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

See?  Not charged for claiming to be God, but for claiming to be a heavenly son OF God, ie: A god.

Mike, Jesus is claiming to be the elohim of Psalms 82:8.  The Jews knew the Messiah was the Son of God that they were supposed to “Kiss” and “take refuge in” from Psalms 2. However, they were thinking that Jesus, who was claiming t…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You put up a verse from Titus. Would you mind telling us why Jesus is called “our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone. 12It instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13as we…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike……EVERYONE  knows,  when you look up into the  “skys/ heavens, you can see the stars, the sun,  moon, and EVEN clouds , that contntan water and rains on this earth…

Yes Gene.  But the waters above are above the stars, so they are not clouds.  Listen once again…

God created the raqia to separate the waters below the raqia from t…[Read more]

Berean, 👍🙂🙏😁

Jodi:  Mike, yes I understand that if you believe “I am” is to be interpreted through historical present tense, the meaning would be rendered as “I existed”. 

I get it,  just as the Jews thought you think likewise, the only way for Jesus to have said what he said is if Jesus existed during Abraham’s day, so in verse 58 Jesus was extending to…

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Jodi:  …but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things…

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God…

I agree that God’s servant Jesus spoke about things he learned from God.  But look who’s actually doing the speaking…

My Father taught me X, so I will say X to you.  My Father told me to speak X, so I will speak X to yo…[Read more]

Thank you Mike for pointing out the realities of psalm 148.

Mike……EVERYONE  knows,  when you look up into the  “skys/ heavens, you can see the stars, the sun,  moon, and EVEN clouds , that contntan water and rains on this earth, only an apsolute idiot, would not know that, IMO.

MIKE,  You pointed the gun at your own head and pulled the trigger a long time ago , no one needs to do it for you , you did…[Read more]

Pretender and Gene (I Saw It On TV) Balthrop…

1.  According to scripture, is there only ONE raqia?  YES or NO?  (If “NO”, please include your scriptures that speak of more than one of them.)

2.  According to scripture, are the sun, moon and stars IN the very thing that the waters are ABOVE?  YES or NO?

Mike: Using “expanse”, Genesis 1 says God created the expanse to separate the waters below the expanse from the waters above the expanse.

You say that this refers to the space between the sea and the clouds. Okay.

A few verses later we’re told that God created the sun, moon and stars and placed them in THAT expense.

 

Proclaimer:  THAT expanse…

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Proclaimer:  Thanks gene. Mike is definitely batting for the other team.

You got that right.  And if I ever think of joining the anti-scriptural team that you and Gene are on, please just put a bullet in my head.

Berean:  This is what Genesis 1 teaches.

 

Proclaimer:  Bahahaha! Great comeback Berean. You roasted me.

This little exchange sums up the entire debate quite nicely.  There are people pointing out what God’s written word actually says about a matter, and other people LAUGHING at what God’s written word says about it – as if “this is what the sc…[Read more]