Proclaimer…….where scripture say all thing was made for him,  it is referencing to the fact he was a human being, why?  Because scripture shows us this, Need proof?  Here it is , scripture says this (not me)……Heb 2:6-13……but one in a certain place testified, saying, what is man (mankind) that you are mindful of him (mankind)? Or the son of man, th…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

#10 doesn’t make sense, Jesus was in heaven at creation as God’s son, came to earth and became a man, only to return to heaven as the son again? Please clarify.

@ desire Truth you

You

You reject the idea that the God of the universe would dare to speak to his celestial creation….

me

not at all, but why would God speak to angels when He created man? How are they directly involved in this?

You

….and affirm by speaking to them that HE was seeking their advice on how to create man. Nowhere in these…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

What does it mean Christ “emptied himself”?

Emptied himself of what?

@ Proclaimer,

What does it mean Christ existed in the form of God?

@ Proclaimer,

Did Jesus ever say he was the “word” or “the word”?

Please provide scriptural examples.

 

Hi to all

Here is the Daily Devotional

DOUG BATCHELOR THE RICHEST CAVEMAN PART 4

Hitchhiking, a once-popular form of transportation, is actually banned in several states. But fortunately for Doug, it was not banned in Oklahoma.

After surviving the Flint School storm, Doug returned to his father’s home for the holiday break. He knew (and s…

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These two don’t align and it is what Gene and I have had a problem with for so many years now.

Let’s me analyse it for you then.

1. He existed in the form of God.
2. He emptied himself.
3. He was born human and grew to adulthood.
4. He died.
5. He rose from the grave.
6. He was taken up.
7. He is with God in the glory he had with the Father before the c…

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Yes it seems you do have a problem with Jesus Christ coming in the flesh.

You have a problem with the Word becoming flesh.

You have a problem with God created all things through The Word that was WITH God.

You have a problem with God creating the all things through Jesus Christ.

You have a problem with his name being ‘The Word of God’.

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Hi Proclaimer,

In one post you said, “If I believe that he existed in the form of God (divine nature) then emptying himself, and coming in the flesh then living as a baby like us and growing and learning like us into an adult, then how is it exactly that I separate him from humanity. I don’t. So please move on to other points that may be o…[Read more]

Yep, you admit that you are non-scientific. Like I have said before, Uppity is a foolish way to see reality as even digging a little deeper into the meaning of up and down shows us the truth.

Instead of just stating that Uppity is reality with lame memes, provide some proof. Bring back the sun or something similar. Until then, you are just…[Read more]

Neither example you gave are comparable, Christ is or isn’t equal to God and either Christ preexisted or he was born 2000 years ago as a man foreknown by GOD to do HIS will before the creation of the world. There cannot be a “middle” understanding with either one. Christ said something about being hot or cold and not lukewarm.

Scripture teach…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Let’s go back to Genesis 1:26, the “us” and “our” in the creation of man. Your belief tells you it’s Jesus, the Jews understood it was the heavenly hosts to whom God was speaking. Who’s correct, you or the Jews? You reject the idea the God of the universe would dare speak to his heavenly creation and assert by speaking to them HE was…[Read more]

Hi to all

Here is the Daily Devotional

DOUG BATCHELOR THE RICHEST CAVEMAN PART 3

There may be as many as 4,200 different religions in the world—and Doug went through quite a few of them.

After his supernatural comeuppance, Doug, convinced that God existed, was terrified. He had heard of heaven and hell and, with the way things were going i…[Read more]

@desiretruth

Come on, let’s restart from zero

The first chapter of the first book of the Bible mentions the presence of the Son of God with the Father.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness….

LET US MAKE MAN….

You think that God speaks to the angels, I do not believe it because the angels collaborated in…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

For me there is only a right and wrong, no maybe; it’s black and white, no gray; pick a side of the fence, can’t exist on both sides at the same time nor straddle it; and there is no middle of the road. So the truth will never be in the middle. If you want to call it “extreme”, so be it; I call it a truth or a lie.

Neither example…[Read more]

I will challenge you or anyone to scripturally prove Christ preexistence in the old testament. Why do you believe what you believe? Take a stand.

Why not make the same challenge for the New Testament?

This entire conversation is a circle, it’s the same argument for the last 20 years. One side pitted against the other and both sides having the mindset of “I’m right and your wrong.” Always repeating the same thing. Either Christ preexisted or he didn’t; one belief is wrong and the other correct, both can’t be right.

Exactly. Except I am challeng…[Read more]

Equal to the Father is wrong for sure.

However, being just a man who was born 2000 years ago is also wrong.

Like many things, the truth is in neither extreme.

What we know from scripture is this.

He existed in the form of God (not as God himself), emptied himself, came in the flesh, was born and grew like any one of us (lived as a man – had to…[Read more]