@ Proclaimer,

Post #943063

“Jesus Christ being the first born of all creation and having first place in all things”. Does this mean Christ preexisted or he was first to be raised from the dead and receive God’s glory?

“If Jesus Christ is not the Word or the first to be with God then who was?” Christ is the flesh that came from the word; the…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: A man was to receive the Spirit of God and bring forth judgement to the Gentiles according to Isaiah.</span>

Me: Jodi, Let’s READ THE TRUTH!

YOU SAID ABOVE:

A MAN WAS TO RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD!

NO Jodi, THAT’S YOUR CORRUPTED BELIEF AND REASONING I’M AFRAID!

 HOW LONG I’VE  BEEN TELLING  YOU TH…[Read more]

The New Testament shows us clearly that Jesus Christ existed in the form of God and he emptied himself and came in the flesh. If we reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God, firstborn of all creation, messiah, and the Word of God, then we reject the New Testament. That is fine as we have free will to choose to believe or not. We can only choose for ourselves.

Yep.

I would never teach people that the bible teaches a flat earth. That would be a lie.

I also wouldn’t teach the earth was flat from a scientific viewpoint as the evidence is overwhelming that we live in a universe filled with galaxies, suns, planets, and moons. And because of gravity, shapes that are not spherical will eventually break up…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Deut. 18:15 (Moses speaking) Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from your midst, of your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him.

Deut. 18:17,18 Yahweh said to me (Moses), “They have well said that which they have spoken.  18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you. I will put my words in hi…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

You take off on a long dissertation on the Talmud and Pharisees and miss what I actually said. The quoting was only to show what the Jews believe.

Please explain Deut 18:15,18 and how we have a preexistent Christ. Look up Hellenism, this thinking was infiltrating the early church. 

Me

Why rely on the Talmud and not on ALL THE…[Read more]

@proclaimer

If you believe and teach something that is not true, it effects your other teachings, even if they are true.

Right back at you, Proclaimer.

@ Berean,

You take off on a long dissertation on the Talmud and Pharisees and miss what I actually said. The quoting was only to show what the Jews believe.

Please explain Deut 18:15,18 and how we have a preexistent Christ.

Look up Hellenism, this thinking was infiltrating the early church.

Desire Truth……..Welcome to my and Jodi’s world,  maybe you can do a better job then we have,    I have come to see  over many years, that, “unless the LORD builds the house the weary builders (us) build in vain “.   And also to them that have more shall be given, and them that have not,  even what they think they have (shall be) taken away  t…[Read more]

To all

“This is what the Jews believed concerning the Messiah, from Everyman’s Talmud: The Major Teachings of Rabbinic Sages (pg347):

‘the sending of the Messiah was part of the Creator’s plan at the inception of the Universe.’

‘From the beginning of the creation of the world king Messiah was born, for he entered the mind (of God) before eve…[Read more]

Please explain what each of these verses you sited mean and how they relate to a preexisting son in heaven at creation:

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom h…

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Are you going to refute the Jewish mind? Prove scripturally what I have said is wrong!

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through…[Read more]

because this wasn’t the Jewish belief.

Jewish belief denies that Jesus is the Messiah. If Jewish belief is the standard for truth, then why do you believe that Jesus is the messiah? Or maybe you don’t?

For I, brethren, would not have you be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits: that blindness in part has h…[Read more]

In John’s first epistle, he is warning of falsehoods coming into the early church and to be careful of them. This is less than 50 years after Christ’s ascension. I am puzzled how we don’t see the preexistence doctrine as a man made belief, let alone the trinity. Christ referred to himself as a son of man, meaning he was man, of mankind – not som…

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I will assert both doctrines are false teachings

The Trinity is never mentioned by name or described. However, Jesus Christ being the first born of all creation and having first place in all things is mentioned.

If Jesus Christ is not the Word or the first to be with God then who was?

Bruce? Jack? Lucifer?

If Bruce, then why isn’t all things…[Read more]

Hi to all

Here is the Daily Devotional

THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR

While attempting to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, which legally freed all the slaves living in the southern states of America, Abraham Lincoln’s hand shook so much that he had to put his pen down before adding his signature. After discussing the idea of the Emancipation P…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

Clarity of a statement you made in an earlier post (#942749) about how the trinity doctrine and preexistence doctrine are not mutually exclusive. This means both are truth; yet you reject the one and except the other. Was this a typo?

I will assert both doctrines are false teachings, because this wasn’t the Jewish belief. If it w…[Read more]

Here’s a quote from a person who looked into flat earth. Wise words.
I WAS RESEARCHING THE FLAT EARTH…

THE FIRST THING I FOUND OUT IS THAT THERE IS NO FLAT EARTH SCALE (MAP) WHICH SHOWS ALL COUNTRIES AND BORDERS CLEARLY MARKED.

SOME VAGUE MAPS WERE MADE BUT ARENT CIRCULATED AS THEY CANNOT PASS EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF SCRUTINIES.

WITHOUT A MAP…[Read more]

@ Jodi

Jesus is the Son of God BEFORE HE CAME “IN THE FLESH”
PROV.30: 4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
At his baptism, he did not become…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

Please explain what each of these verses you sited mean and how they relate to a preexisting son in heaven at creation:

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and t…[Read more]