@Proclaimer

More from Origen:

1. Psalm 102 → Hebrews 1:10–12 applied to the Son
Source: Contra Celsum 1.67
“In speaking of the Son he says: ‘Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth…’”

2. Psalm 102 → The Son as Creator
Source: De Principiis 1.2.2
“The Son… is said in the Epistle to the Hebrews to have laid the found…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

The theos of John 1:1b identifies the theos of John 1:1c as the YHWH who laid the foundation of the world and the heavens were the work of His hands and not only that but that as YHWH, this theos who is the Son, will at a future time, fold them up like a garment and they will be changed in Hebrews 1:10-12.

Amazing!

@Proclaimer

The theos of John 1:1b identifies the theos of John 1:1c as the YHWH who laid the foundation of the world and the heavens were the work of His hands and not only that but that as YHWH, this theos who is the Son, will at a future time, fold them up like a garment and they will be changed in Hebrews 1:10-12.

Amazing!

One prominent scholar called Origen is sometimes quoted by Trinitarians who appeal to his wisdom for other purposes. However, they avoid this particular quotation for obvious reasons. Origen wrote in the early 200’s A.D and was a noted expert in Koine Greek.

“We next notice John’s use of the article in these sentences. He does not write witho…[Read more]

@Keith

Are you claiming that Jesus — the theos who now has all authority in heaven and on earth — is a false god?

Lightenup– At John 1:1 the true God is called Ho Theos=The God–The Word is called Theos=god in that scenario as it occurs at 2 Cor 4:4 as well- So The true God=Jehovah gave Jesus(Word) authority. If Jesus were God he would already have had the authority.

@Keith

Which “theos” was given all authority in heaven and on earth after the resurrection of Christ?

Revelation does not leave the final conflict vague. It presents two women — two churches — standing in complete contrast.
The faithful church is identified as those “who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Revelation 12:17. She stands on the Word of God, belongs to Christ, and suffers persecution because she rem…[Read more]

Lightenup–I said psalm 102 was Jehovah. No Jehovah is not the son. Jehovah is the sons God( John 20:17)

@Keith

Thank you — you said the “You” in both Psalm 102 and Hebrews 1:10 is Jehovah.

So according to your own answer:

– The “You” in Psalm 102 = Jehovah
– The “You” in Hebrews 1:10 = Jehovah
– Hebrews 1:10 is spoken to the Son

Therefore the Father identifies the Son as Jehovah.

This is exactly the point I’ve been asking you to consider.

What…[Read more]

Lighten up–Jehovah is mentioned in Psalm. When one applys bible facts, it can be said for both.

Most think the us at Gen 1:26 created, but verse 27 is clear only a he created, prov 8:27-28 backs it up-a he created, not the us. The us= Jehovah( architect, creator) and his master worker( Jesus( builder, not creator)Prov 8:30= The one who was…[Read more]

@Keith

You are bringing up John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4, but those points don’t answer the specific question I asked you. That’s a discussion for another time.

Let’s stay with the passage I quoted, because it is the Father speaking, and the wording is identical to Psalm 102.

Hebrews 1:8 says clearly: “But about the Son He says…”…[Read more]

Lighten up, I don’t need to relook. I showed you facts, you show the opposite of facts. Its why trinity based religions are such a mass of confusion, your translation is erred and altered by Catholicism translating. Like at John 1:1-There are only 2 spots in NT where more than 1 is called God and god-John 1:1-2Cor 4:4–The Word was NOT given the…[Read more]

@Keith

I can tell that I was not clear enough with my post. I want to you look at Heb 1:10-14 and Psalm 102:25-28.

In Hebrews 1:10-12 we see that the Father is speaking about the Son when the Father says:

Hebrews 1:10 And:

“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11They w…

[Read more]

Lightenup– Psalm 110:-Jehovah said to my Lord(Jesus) sit at my( not ours) right hand. Thus you are twisting heb 1–  Heb 1:4–Jesus inherited that name( Jesus, given to him by God) it made him better than the angels. If he didnt come to Earth, then it means he was equal to the angels( created)–Psalm 45:7-companions=angels.

@Keith

How do you define “Christians?”

Jehovah the Father—the One speaking to David’s Lord in Psalm 110:1—identifies His Son in Hebrews 1 with the Jehovah described in Psalm 102.

Psalm 110:1 shows Jehovah (the Father) speaking to someone distinct: “my Lord.”

Psalm 102 describes Jehovah as the eternal, unchanging Creator of heaven and earth.

H…[Read more]

Lightenup– Yes JW,s are Christian. Psalm 110:1 assures Jesus is not Jehovah–  Jehovah( LORD) said to my Lord( Jesus), sit at my right hand until i make your enemies as a stool for your feet.

Islam is not the Antichrist.
Daniel 7 does not identify the Antichrist by general opposition to Christianity. It gives specific prophetic markers.

The Antichrist power is the little horn. It rises from the fourth beast, which represents Rome, and comes up among the ten horns, the divisions of Western Rome (Daniel 7:7–8, 24). That means it must a…[Read more]

Donald Trump Praises Christianity’s “Tremendous” Comeback
 

On May 19, 2026—two days after the “Rededicate 250” event in Washington, D.C.—President Donald Trump announced during a press briefing that religion had increased during the first year of his second presidential term. He also asserted that Christianity is experiencing a “tremendous r…[Read more]