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December 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm#782211
DavidL
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How can you say these videos help give a clearer picture of the false doctrine of the Trinity, when the last video supports the Trinity…??!!
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This is confusion…!!!
December 16, 2013 at 6:18 pm#782212
DavidL
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You seem to manipulate information to try and make it fit your own borrowed and manufactured ideas..ideas that are closely aligned to the cult teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses…
December 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm#782213
Becky
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David,
That is where you have to choose what cult teachings you want to believe. I for one choose to not believe in the cult teaching of the trinity. I choose to believe who Jesus told us he is, the son of god, the messiah, and our savior.
December 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm#782214
Admin
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One talks about the false doctrine of the Trinity and the other talks about Babylon, even though the second author believes in the Trinity.

These videos give evidence that the Trinity is false and its connection to the Mystery Religion. And I am free to quote anyone who has done good research regardless of their predefined beliefs because I am not biased and do not judge absolutely by labels. Labels mean very little to me.

Plus I am not fully spoon feeding people here, rather, I think there is enough in both those videos for a truthful person to see that the Trinity is false and how it links to the Mystery Religion as described in the second video.

It is true that a carnal person cannot separate a person’s predefined belief with evidence he gives about another subject. But that is not my problem. I give food for those who can consume it. If they throw it back up, then they need to stick to drinking milk until they have enough nutrition to let them develop to the point where they can start eating meat. If they try to eat meat and choke on it, then that is not my fault.
December 16, 2013 at 9:09 pm#782215
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Keymaster
First remove the Catholic (Trinity) log in your eye before you can accuse me of the JW speck in mine.

But the truth is that what I believe goes back to Jesus, John, Peter, and Paul. There is one God the Father. The only true God is the Father. Etc.

Its weird how you say it is a JW doctrine when the JWs were not around 2000 years ago. And just because they rightly point out that the Father is the only true God, their trap is that they do not believe that we need to be born again, nor do they believe that we will be in Heaven with Jesus.

You do err with your accusations here DavidL, but you really should attend to the Catholic log in your eye first, then you can see clearly to correct me if it is warranted.
December 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm#782216
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Amen Becky.

Antichrists deny the Father and the son.

And the Trinity doctrine denies a literal Father and Son. Instead, the Father and the Son are the same, co-equal, same everything, and each fully God while comprising one God.

This is how they are deceived into denying the Father and the Son.

Further, God clearly shows us what it is to be a Father and to have a son. We are without excuse for denying the Father and the Son.

“Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son” – John.
December 17, 2013 at 2:26 am#782217
Anastas
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The trinity is a created theology that took hundreds of years to develop. So, DavidL, is this revelation from the Spirit or just ideas built on ideas? Did our brother John receive the revelation of the end quickly, or was he only the last one of a chain of many brothers who were given small scraps of revelation culminating into John’s revelation? Of course not. From what the bible shows us, revelation is swift. The apostles did not teach a trinity, otherwise the trinity we know now would have been taught in the church from the very beginning… but it wasn’t. It took many gradual steps from church fathers who had very unorthodox views according to Catholicism, to finally get to the trinity we know today. Is that really revelation? I like to do a test. Say a bible fell from the sky in the middle of a jungle. A man who knew nothing of the bible found it and read it. After he reads it, will see a trinity as is told by most denominations? If your truthful you will say no considering how long it took the church fathers to figure out this “revelation”. He would, indeed, see the Father is the one true God and Jesus Christ the Son of God. So then, would you say that the bible in itself is not a good enough tool to find truth? Is God’s book only good if a man is there to teach the reader? Perhaps, we should avoid the man’s teachings and trust God’s words of themselves and then we would have a more true understanding of the overall tone of the message. There was a reason the catholic priests of yesteryear forbade the laity to read the bible, because they knew the bible did not point to a trinity in any way and the truth would come out.
April 28, 2015 at 11:33 pm#795945
Hazz
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Do you have any articles on what/who is the Holy Spirit?
God is spirit, but if the Holy Spirit is God, then why are there references which separate out the Holy Spirit from God/Father? e.g. John 14:26, Matt 28:19.
April 29, 2015 at 12:11 am#795947
Proclaimer
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Hi Hazz.
I don’t purport to know the exact answer, but can I offer this suggestion.
The sun is located in space and its light and heat radiate out through out the entire Solar System, far beyond where it resides.
When the rays of the sun hit our skin, we speak of it as the sun, and we talk about going out in the sun, and we cover up from the sun, even though it is the rays of the sun we are talking about.
God is in Heaven, but by his Spirit he can be present in all creation including the Earth.
Maybe it is a bit like that.
Of course comparing God to the sun is a poor comparison for an eternal God, but we are told that God is Spirit and we know that his Spirit is here and in us, and can be in all creation once all things have been placed under Christ.
April 29, 2015 at 1:48 am#795948
davidH
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T8

what you said reminds me of one of the psalms as in almost word for word, Many believe the 7 letters to the seven churches are the prophetic history of the church through the ages, the maind body of the church having the features of its corresponding age. However each age having a minority amount of other age churches, Like now many say we are in the Loadecean age, the “luke warm’ age, but not all are luke warm and powerless. if this is the case of being in the last age, it is interesting that Jesus statement at the start of the 7 th letter says “..I am the beginning of the creation of God” as if the trinity SHOULD be on the discussion agenda of God Himself.
April 29, 2015 at 2:07 am#795949
davidH
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T8
Psalm 19 it is on the mid 1980s album ‘Psalms Alive” (song 10)
April 29, 2015 at 10:13 am#796003
Proclaimer
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Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
²Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
³There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
⁴Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
⁵Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
⁶His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
⁷The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
⁸The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
⁹The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
¹⁰More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
¹¹Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
¹²Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
¹³Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
¹⁴Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
Thanks DavidH. Some things to think about. Here is the Psalm you speak of.
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April 29, 2015 at 12:41 pm#796035
AndrewAD
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Those Christians who worship not trinity or oneness- modalism actually worship two Gods -one greater and one lesser,though they won’t admit it.Angels,devils and men worship Jesus in the bible,yet the same hypocrites who worship the bible claim they don’t worship Jesus or two gods.Ok?
April 29, 2015 at 2:40 pm#796051
AndrewAD
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The orthodox/catholics of St.Augustine’s time thought mystery Babylon were the Arians,and now Arians think trinitarians are mystery Babylon. What a sweet mystery it all is and he that sitteth in the heavens laughs!
April 30, 2015 at 2:51 am#796081
GeneBalthrop
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Andrew AD ….. you havefallen i to SATAN TRAP, hewantsus tothinkJESUS ISDIFFERENT THEN WE ARE,SO HE usedthe GNOSTIC’S TO INTRODUCE A DOCTRINE THAT WOULD SEPERATE JESUS from our exact idenity withhim, he moved his image from a simple human being to a GOD, SO WE WOUL NOT THINK WE COULD ATTAIN TO THE SAME STATUS AS HIM WITHTHE FATHER, we wanted to “SEPERATE JESUS FROMUS IDENTIFYING WITH HIM ON A PURELY HUMAN BASES. Hebegan to work that concept at tbevery start,but the apostles JOHN AND PAUL FOUGHT IT FROM THE START. BUT WHIN THEY DIES ITTOOKROOT AND BEGAN TOGROW UNTILL 325 AD when it became the droctrine of the “trinity” which has taken over nearly all Christanity. The teaching of the”TRINITY” IS SATAN’S “DROCTRINE OF SEPERATION” IT WORKS TO MAKE THE IMAGE OF JESUSE THE MAN OF SIN, WRITTEN ABOUT IN 2Ths2.
The one who now sit in the temple of GOD being desplayed as a GOD IS THE “MAN” JESUS, WHICH DOES TURN THE “IMAGE” OF HIM INTO A MAN OF SIN. IT IS A “LIE” ABOUT JESUS NOTBEING A HUMAN BEING BUT A GOD, THE VERY LIE THAT WHEN JESUS RETURNS HE HIMSELF WILL DISTORY. READ IT FOR YOURSELF. YOUHA E FALLEN FOR THE BIGEST “LIE” EVER , WHOSE CREATION IS SATAN HIMSELF. IMO AndrewAD, COME OUT OF IT AND INTOTHE TRUTH AND SAVE YOURSELF.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
April 30, 2015 at 6:49 am#796082
kerwin
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Jesus worships his Father and our Father and also prays to him. Any one open to the truth should know that reveals he is not God. The question is “why would so many embrace a teaching that any reasonable person can see it a lie?”
May 2, 2015 at 12:28 pm#796148
Proclaimer
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AndrewDAD, she is the mother of false religion There are many false religions and false doctrines. Both Islam and Catholicism have false foundations, and they are both huge deceptions in the world. The mother however is the either the root, the biggest, or worse one. Just like the mother of all wars would be the worst one. As for the others, they may not be the worse or biggest, but that does not disqualify them as being part of Babylon.
While there are many harlots, there is one mothet of harlots.
May 3, 2015 at 5:11 am#796192
AndrewAD
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@T8
Wow T8 I just now noticed you have me quoted on your front page from about 2 1/2-3 years ago! in the awesome feedback. And that was a breakthrough time for me.Your article made me think a lot and the trinity doctrine was a “huge” hurdle for me then and it helped me to begin to think for myself and escape religious brainwashing.
I’ve even thought about bringing that up to you since I came back on your site.I am very thankful for your study still today.
I was adamant against the trinity and Nicene creed for a little while after that but am not so much anymore.I got involved with a non-trinitarian group for a short while but had to leave them too for various reasons.
I still don’t believe the trinity doctrine as it is strictly taught but I have my own liberal ideas on it so when I do go to church,which isn’t often,I do attend trinitarian churches and have no qualms about that issue.
May 3, 2015 at 7:19 am#796193
kerwin
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AndrewAD,
What do you see in the Trinity Doctrine.
I am convinced that Jesus is the first human being who was given the Spirit of God to walk by. In walking by it he became the Author of our faith because he lived by faith. We are do as he did, and still does.
May 3, 2015 at 10:30 am#796225
NickHassan
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Hi Andrew,
It is hard to shake the habit and compulsion even of attending a denominational church.
God wants you to obey him and to avoid the confusion that men add.
The temple is within you, if you are in Christ.
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