1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #339756
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)
    I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine boy
    ill repeat

    i still have a question for you

    you do believe that you and your father are both human.

    my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

    im talking about your nature and your father's nature


    Jamin

    You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me. :D :D

    #339991
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    jammin,

    I answered your first question.  Now answer MY first question BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?

    #340037
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    MIke…….Wrong………Jesus is of the HUman Kind, and has recieved God's Sprit in him Making him a son of the God Kind, Just as all human kind can have also. Also a person can have the Sprit of a Devil Kind , makeing him a son of the devil kind. Mike the problem is you not understanding what a SPIRIT “IS”> IMO

    peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………………….gene

    #340051
    carmel
    Participant

    Gene wrote:

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    .Jesus is of the HUman Kind,  and has recieved God's  Sprit in him

    Gene,

    Wrong!

    Jesus is God's own spirit!

    Jesus is the word made flesh!

    Jesus is the Godhead in flesh body!

    Jesus is Almighty God glorified

    John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified and

    GOD IS GLORIFIED IN HIM

    32If God be glorified in him,

    GOD WILL ALSO GLORIFY HIM IN HIMSELF;

    and immediately will he glorify him

    THE ABOVE IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL,AND IT NEEDS SOME HELL OF A TWISTING TO DEFINE IT THAT :

    JESUS IS NOT GLORIFIED IN GOD ( SPIRIT)

    AND

    GOD IS NOT GLORIFIED IN JESUS ( FLESH)

    THEREFORE BOTH UNITED AS ONE

    Matthew 19:4 Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? (SOUL AND FLESH)And he said: 5For this cause shall a man( THE SON) leave father (ALMIGHTY TO CREATE ALL)and mother, (MARY, AFTER CREATED ALL)and shall cleave to his wife,(THE MYSTICAL BODY OF THE CHURCH) and they two (THE FATHER AND THE SON)shall be in one flesh.(BODY) 6Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #340090
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)
    I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine boy
    ill repeat

    i still have a question for you

    you do believe that you and your father are both human.

    my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

    im talking about your nature and your father's nature


    Jamin

    You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.  :D  :D


    good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

    you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.

    #340091
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2013,14:31)
    jammin,

    I answered your first question.  Now answer MY first question BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine
    ill repeat
    do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?
    yes or no?

    just answer yes or no

    #340132
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    jammin,

    Here are the possible answers to my question:

    1.  Yes Mike, God is a SPECIES, of which the Father and Son are both members.

    2.  No Mike, God is not a SPECIES, and therefore my attempt to compare the nature of humans, who ARE all members of the same species, with God, who is a PERSON and NOT a species, is a big waste of time that proves nothing.

    Which answer do you choose, jammin?

    #340133
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)
    I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine boy
    ill repeat

    i still have a question for you

    you do believe that you and your father are both human.

    my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

    im talking about your nature and your father's nature


    Jamin

    You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.  :D  :D


    good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

    you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.


    jamin

    and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

    so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,

    #340313
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)
    I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine boy
    ill repeat

    i still have a question for you

    you do believe that you and your father are both human.

    my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

    im talking about your nature and your father's nature


    Jamin

    You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.  :D  :D


    good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

    you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.


    jamin

    and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

    so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,


    of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

    Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.

    #340314
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,03:50)
    jammin,

    Here are the possible answers to my question:

    1.  Yes Mike, God is a SPECIES, of which the Father and Son are both members.

    2.  No Mike, God is not a SPECIES, and therefore my attempt to compare the nature of humans, who ARE all members of the same species, with God, who is a PERSON and NOT a species, is a big waste of time that proves nothing.

    Which answer do you choose, jammin?


    you did not answer mine
    ill repeat
    do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?
    yes or no?

    just answer yes or no

    after you answer mine, ill answer yours

    #340316
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28)
    do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?

    after you answer mine, ill answer yours


    :) I'll believe it when I see it.

    Here is my answer. I must write it in a way that you can't clip it and say, “thanks for your answer”. Hmmm…………….

    All members of the SPECIES known as “humankind” share a “human” nature.

    Now here is my question:

    Do all members of the SPECIES known as “God” share a “God” nature? YES or NO?

    #340445
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,12:37)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28)
    do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?

    after you answer mine, ill answer yours


    :)  I'll believe it when I see it.

    Here is my answer.  I must write it in a way that you can't clip it and say, “thanks for your answer”.  Hmmm…………….

    All members of the SPECIES known as “humankind” share a “human” nature.

    Now here is my question:

    Do all members of the SPECIES known as “God” share a “God” nature?  YES or NO?


    Mike…….If I took a cup of water from a lake and gave it to you to drink, tell me is it any different then the water in the lake , no it is the “exact.” Same, right?, and ounce you drank it , that exact same water is “in” you. So it is with spirit .

    God said I shall “pour” forth of my spirit upon ” all” flesh , that is the spirit of God anointing that person he pours it on. We become anointed by that pouring forth from YAHWEH of that Spirit , and he then abides “in” us, just as he abided “in” Jesus. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

    #340447
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Gene,

    Did you post this in the wrong thread?

    #340450
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 01 2013,07:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)
    I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine boy
    ill repeat

    i still have a question for you

    you do believe that you and your father are both human.

    my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

    im talking about your nature and your father's nature


    Jamin

    You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.  :D  :D


    good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

    you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.


    jamin

    and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

    so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,


    of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

    Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.


    Jamin

    Right,but one his the supreme God that is not created and the other one a lesser god that as been created out of the direct powers of the first one ,and for those reasons he his the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ALMIGHTY ,

    #340665
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,12:00)

    Quote (jammin @ April 01 2013,07:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)
    I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine boy
    ill repeat

    i still have a question for you

    you do believe that you and your father are both human.

    my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

    im talking about your nature and your father's nature


    Jamin

    You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.  :D  :D


    good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

    you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.


    jamin

    and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

    so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,


    of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

    Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.


    Jamin

    Right,but one his the supreme God that is not created and the other one a lesser god that as been created out of the direct powers of the first one ,and for those reasons he his the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ALMIGHTY ,


    nice to know that you are accepting the truth that we are both HUMAN by nature.

    but you do not want to accept the truth that Christ has the same nature just like his father. he is God by nature.
    you cant read in the bible that christ is a lesser god. only that fake NWT says he is god but ALL OF THE VERSIONS SAY HE IS GOD.
    do you understand that?
    ill repeat
    ONLY THAT FAKE NWT SAYS CHRIST IS god.

    all versions say christ is God and not god.

    so stop dreaming boy.
    believe what is truly written in the bible.
    Christ has the same nature just like his father. he is God by nature.
    he is not created.
    col 1.16 talk about supremacy of christ
    you should read the context well before making conclusions

    #340666
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,12:37)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28)
    do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?

    after you answer mine, ill answer yours


    :)  I'll believe it when I see it.

    Here is my answer.  I must write it in a way that you can't clip it and say, “thanks for your answer”.  Hmmm…………….

    All members of the SPECIES known as “humankind” share a “human” nature.

    Now here is my question:

    Do all members of the SPECIES known as “God” share a “God” nature?  YES or NO?


    the term species came from human.

    i cant read in the bible that God is a species.
    so im telling to you what is written in the bible.
    i can read word for word that Christ and his father have the same nature and that is nature God.
    they are both God by nature,.
    read jn 1.1
    phil 2.6
    and many more.
    understand the contxt well before making conclusions.
    do not read your fake NWT because this will lead you to confusion

    #340683
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 03 2013,15:38)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,12:00)

    Quote (jammin @ April 01 2013,07:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)
    I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

    Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

    Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?


    you did not answer mine boy
    ill repeat

    i still have a question for you

    you do believe that you and your father are both human.

    my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

    im talking about your nature and your father's nature


    Jamin

    You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.  :D  :D


    good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

    you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.


    jamin

    and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

    so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,


    of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

    Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.


    Jamin

    Right,but one his the supreme God that is not created and the other one a lesser god that as been created out of the direct powers of the first one ,and for those reasons he his the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ALMIGHTY ,


    nice to know that you are accepting the truth that we are both HUMAN by nature.

    but you do not want to accept the truth that Christ has the same nature just like his father. he is God by nature.
    you cant read in the bible that christ is a lesser god. only that fake NWT says he is god but ALL OF THE VERSIONS SAY HE IS GOD.
    do you understand that?
    ill repeat
    ONLY THAT FAKE NWT SAYS CHRIST IS god.

    all versions say christ is God and not god.

    so stop dreaming boy.
    believe what is truly written in the bible.
    Christ has the same nature just like his father. he is God by nature.
    he is not created.
    col 1.16 talk about supremacy of christ
    you should read the context well before making conclusions


    Jamin

    But I have accepted that Christ as the same nature than his father and so he his a god but not his father ,how could a son be his own father ,even if they have the same nature,

    We have already establish that we have the same nature but we are not the same people ,you have accepted this and now rejected ,???

    #340876
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ April 03 2013,03:40)
    so im telling to you what is written in the bible.
    i can read word for word that Christ and his father have the same nature and that is nature God.


    Where can you read in the Bible that “God” is a nature?

    Having the nature OF “God” is not the same as saying “God” IS a “nature”.

    God is a person, jammin. He (not “they”) is a being. “God” is the word used to describe the PERSON who created all things. It is never used in scripture to define a “nature”.

    #340877
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    jammin,

    I worship the God OF Jesus as my God, since Jesus said that our God was also his God.

    You worship the God of Jesus PLUS other “persons”.

    Which one of us is aligned with what Jesus actually taught?

    #340885
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 03 2013,23:38)
    nice to know that you are accepting the truth that we are both HUMAN by nature.

    but you do not want to accept the truth that Christ has the same nature just like his father. he is God by nature.
    you cant read in the bible that christ is a lesser god. only that fake NWT says he is god but ALL OF THE VERSIONS SAY HE IS GOD.
    do you understand that?
    ill repeat
    ONLY THAT FAKE NWT SAYS CHRIST IS god.


    You are barking up the wrong tree.

    Although he existed in the form of God…

    That is not meant to be interpreted as, “although he existed as God”.

    Similarly, we can say that Jesus existed in the form of man/adam. But we cannot say that he was Adam, Eve's husband. Rather that he partook of Adam's form, that is flesh.

    Form and identity are not to be confused.

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