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1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • July 16, 2012 at 12:21 am#306013
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    You know Mike, I think you deliberately don't want to understand……..


    Not true.

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    Simply put, the pre-existent, eternal Son of the living God (who is a spiritual being) incarnate in the mortal person of Jesus of Nazareth in a miraculous way only understood on Paradise.


    I agree that the pre-existent, CREATED Son of the the living God (who was, and is again, a spirit being) was made flesh for a while, and dwelled among human beings on earth.

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    That spiritual being, who was known as Jesus, did not die, his mortal body died, it returned to the dust! The eternal spirit person of the Son returned three days later is a new form that resembled his former flesh.


    Whatever or whoever DIED is whatever or whoever WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD.  If only a flesh body died, then only a flesh body was raised from the dead.

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    It is also consistent with saying that God (the Son of God) raised Jesus up again and reappeared to the apostles.


    It is NEVER “consistent” to say the Son OF the Omniscient Creator of all things IS the Omniscient Creator of all things.  It would also not be “consistent” to say the son of President Obama IS President Obama.  Surely you can understand this, right?

    Also, what do you mean by “the Son of God raised Jesus up”?  Do you mean to say that the Son of God, who never really died in the first place, jumped back into the flesh body that did die?  ??? Are you saying that the Son of God never really died as a ransom sacrifice for the rest of us?

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    You may not believe but do you at least understand what Im saying?


    I'm trying.

    July 16, 2012 at 1:08 am#306022
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2012,00:51)

    Quote (jammin @ July 16 2012,00:42)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2012,18:58)

    Quote (jammin @ July 15 2012,13:58)

    edj
    do you believe that Christ became flesh? yes or no?


    Hi Jammin; “Christ” was born – as we all were.

    Heb 2:16-17 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
    Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful
    and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    God bless
    Ed J


    the question is categorical
    you just need to answer yes or no

    do you believe that Christ became flesh?
    yes or no?


    Hi Jammin,

    Since “Christ” was born – yes Christ became flesh.         …are you trying to go somewhere here?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    thanks for the answer
    you said what about Christ's mother.
    your question has been answered

    July 16, 2012 at 1:09 am#306023
    jammin
    Participant

    mike you did not answer my question
    you are dreaming boy LOL

    you mean you are not HUMAN but human?
    LOL

    what is the difference between HUMAN and human?
    what is the difference between GOD and god?

    LOL

    July 16, 2012 at 1:34 am#306025
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2012,11:21)

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    You know Mike, I think you deliberately don't want to understand……..


    Not true.

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    Simply put, the pre-existent, eternal Son of the living God (who is a spiritual being) incarnate in the mortal person of Jesus of Nazareth in a miraculous way only understood on Paradise.


    I agree that the pre-existent, CREATED Son of the the living God (who was, and is again, a spirit being) was made flesh for a while, and dwelled among human beings on earth.

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    That spiritual being, who was known as Jesus, did not die, his mortal body died, it returned to the dust! The eternal spirit person of the Son returned three days later is a new form that resembled his former flesh.


    Whatever or whoever DIED is whatever or whoever WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD.  If only a flesh body died, then only a flesh body was raised from the dead.

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    It is also consistent with saying that God (the Son of God) raised Jesus up again and reappeared to the apostles.


    It is NEVER “consistent” to say the Son OF the Omniscient Creator of all things IS the Omniscient Creator of all things.  It would also not be “consistent” to say the son of President Obama IS President Obama.  Surely you can understand this, right?

    Also, what do you mean by “the Son of God raised Jesus up”?  Do you mean to say that the Son of God, who never really died in the first place, jumped back into the flesh body that did die?  ???  Are you saying that the Son of God never really died as a ransom sacrifice for the rest of us?

    Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,17:47)
    You may not believe but do you at least understand what Im saying?


    I'm trying.


    Ok cool, Mike, why do you imply the pre-existant Son could enter the baby Jesus (at whatever point, conception perhaps) but you seem to take issue and say that the Son could not enter into a resurrected likeness of Jesus AS Jesus?

    This may open a can of worms but, Jesus never taught the meaning of his death…..the Pagan Mystery religion that merged with Paul's new evolving religion about Jesus, they already had an atonement theology, who was born a virgin, on December 25th, and even had 12 apostles. See?

    Some hypothesize that Jesus Christ patterned his life from beginning to end after beliefs already familiar among religions that would ultimately accept him while his own people rejected him. The Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Egyptians, all had similarities in their own beliefs with the Jesus story before Jesus ever entered the world. I personally find that fascinating!

    In the gospel that Jesus taught 3+ years before his unjust trial and crass murder, God was ALREADY FORGIVING. The new wine was put into the old sacrificial wine skins.

    Anyway, that's my answer, the pre-existent eternal Son returned to be Jesus again just like he entered into Mary's child; he resurrected Jesus.

    Colter

    July 16, 2012 at 1:42 am#306027
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    I don't believe Jesus “entered into” Mary's son at all, nor does the Bible suggest such a thing. The Bible teaches that Jesus was existing in the spirit form of God, but then was MADE INTO a human being. He did not ENTER a human being, but BECAME one.

    July 16, 2012 at 1:56 am#306030
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ July 16 2012,12:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2012,00:51)

    Quote (jammin @ July 16 2012,00:42)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2012,18:58)

    Quote (jammin @ July 15 2012,13:58)

    edj
    do you believe that Christ became flesh? yes or no?


    Hi Jammin; “Christ” was born – as we all were.

    Heb 2:16-17 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
    Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful
    and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    God bless
    Ed J


    the question is categorical
    you just need to answer yes or no

    do you believe that Christ became flesh?
    yes or no?


    Hi Jammin,

    Since “Christ” was born – yes Christ became flesh.         …are you trying to go somewhere here?

    God bless
    Ed J


    thanks for the answer
    you said what about Christ's mother.
    your question has been answered


    Hi Jammin,

                            Jesus lineage explained

    “Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
    “Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
    “Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
    At birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!

    At baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)

    Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…

                       Mother         Father
                        Mary         HolySpirit
                         50%           50%
                             \              /
                               \          /
                                 Jesus
                                /        \
                              /            \        
                            /                \
                  Son of Man     Son of God
                 (Mark 6:3)        (Luke 1:35)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    July 16, 2012 at 2:27 am#306035
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,13:04)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2012,00:23)
    colter

    Quote
    I understand the concept of Jesus “Christ Michael” as an eternal Son, inseparably unified in divinity with the spirit Father, as co-creator of this world, but I don't really claim to grasp the personification of the Father in his divine Sons.

    were is this in scriptures ??? you what you believe must be the truth and not Gods truth but your s the most liberal one ,were lies and some truth seems to mingle ,the gray line like some call it ,

    Quote
    Religionist commit a tragic disaster when the unknowlinlg dumb things down because they don't understand them at the expense of the profound truth.

    what you are trying to say is ;that you have it and all others do not ??? right ,:D this is why you can not stand the scriptures they always remind you that their is a truth of God ,this must be frustrating ???


    Jesus of the UB:

    (1655.4) 147:7.2 On Tuesday evening Jesus was conducting one of his customary classes of questions and answers when the leader of the six spies said to him: “I was today talking with one of John’s disciples who is here attending upon your teaching, and we were at a loss to understand why you never command your disciples to fast and pray as we Pharisees fast and as John bade his followers.” And Jesus, referring to a statement by John, answered this questioner: “Do the sons of the bridechamber fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as the bridegroom remains with them, they can hardly fast. But the time is coming when the bridegroom shall be taken away, and during those times the children of the bridechamber undoubtedly will fast and pray. To pray is natural for the children of light, but fasting is not a part of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Be reminded that a wise tailor does not sew a piece of new and unshrunk cloth upon an old garment, lest, when it is wet, it shrink and produce a worse rent. Neither do men put new wine into old wine skins, lest the new wine burst the skins so that both the wine and the skins perish. The wise man puts the new wine into fresh wine skins. Therefore do my disciples show wisdom in that they do not bring too much of the old order over into the new teaching of the gospel of the kingdom. You who have lost your teacher may be justified in fasting for a time. Fasting may be an appropriate part of the law of Moses, but in the coming kingdom the sons of God shall experience freedom from fear and joy in the divine spirit.” And when they heard these words, the disciples of John were comforted while the Pharisees themselves were the more confounded.

    (1656.1) 147:7.3 Then the Master proceeded to warn his hearers against entertaining the notion that all olden teaching should be replaced entirely by new doctrines. Said Jesus: “That which is old and also true must abide. Likewise, that which is new but false must be rejected. But that which is new and also true, have the faith and courage to accept. Remember it is written: ‘Forsake not an old friend, for the new is not comparable to him. As new wine, so is a new friend; if it becomes old, you shall drink it with gladness.’”UB

    Colter


    Lk 5:33 They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”
    Lk 5:34 Jesus answered, “Can you make the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them?
    Lk 5:35 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast.”
    Lk 5:36 He told them this parable: “No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old.
    Lk 5:37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined.
    Lk 5:38 No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins.
    Lk 5:39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

    Mt 9:14 Then John’s disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?”
    Mt 9:15 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
    Mt 9:16 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.
    Mt 9:17 Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

    Mk 2:18 Now John’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting. Some people came and asked Jesus, “How is it that John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting, but yours are not?”
    Mk 2:19 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them.
    Mk 2:20 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast.
    Mk 2:21 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse.
    Mk 2:22 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins.”

    Now I have quoted the tree places were that story is told,what is it that we should learn from your BOOK ???

    July 16, 2012 at 3:01 am#306042
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2012,12:42)
    I don't believe Jesus “entered into” Mary's son at all, nor does the Bible suggest such a thing.  The Bible teaches that Jesus was existing in the spirit form of God, but then was MADE INTO a human being.  He did not ENTER a human being, but BECAME one.


    Ok then, was he no longer divine in your opinion? I think he was bothe human and divine. I think at death he returned to what he was before but returned three days later in the likeness of Jesus. I don't believe in the floating space man temp God theory.

    Colter

    July 16, 2012 at 3:05 am#306043
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2012,13:27)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,13:04)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2012,00:23)
    colter

    Quote
    I understand the concept of Jesus “Christ Michael” as an eternal Son, inseparably unified in divinity with the spirit Father, as co-creator of this world, but I don't really claim to grasp the personification of the Father in his divine Sons.

    were is this in scriptures ??? you what you believe must be the truth and not Gods truth but your s the most liberal one ,were lies and some truth seems to mingle ,the gray line like some call it ,

    Quote
    Religionist commit a tragic disaster when the unknowlinlg dumb things down because they don't understand them at the expense of the profound truth.

    what you are trying to say is ;that you have it and all others do not ??? right ,:D this is why you can not stand the scriptures they always remind you that their is a truth of God ,this must be frustrating ???


    Jesus of the UB:

    (1655.4) 147:7.2 On Tuesday evening Jesus was conducting one of his customary classes of questions and answers when the leader of the six spies said to him: “I was today talking with one of John’s disciples who is here attending upon your teaching, and we were at a loss to understand why you never command your disciples to fast and pray as we Pharisees fast and as John bade his followers.” And Jesus, referring to a statement by John, answered this questioner: “Do the sons of the bridechamber fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as the bridegroom remains with them, they can hardly fast. But the time is coming when the bridegroom shall be taken away, and during those times the children of the bridechamber undoubtedly will fast and pray. To pray is natural for the children of light, but fasting is not a part of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Be reminded that a wise tailor does not sew a piece of new and unshrunk cloth upon an old garment, lest, when it is wet, it shrink and produce a worse rent. Neither do men put new wine into old wine skins, lest the new wine burst the skins so that both the wine and the skins perish. The wise man puts the new wine into fresh wine skins. Therefore do my disciples show wisdom in that they do not bring too much of the old order over into the new teaching of the gospel of the kingdom. You who have lost your teacher may be justified in fasting for a time. Fasting may be an appropriate part of the law of Moses, but in the coming kingdom the sons of God shall experience freedom from fear and joy in the divine spirit.” And when they heard these words, the disciples of John were comforted while the Pharisees themselves were the more confounded.

    (1656.1) 147:7.3 Then the Master proceeded to warn his hearers against entertaining the notion that all olden teaching should be replaced entirely by new doctrines. Said Jesus: “That which is old and also true must abide. Likewise, that which is new but false must be rejected. But that which is new and also true, have the faith and courage to accept. Remember it is written: ‘Forsake not an old friend, for the new is not comparable to him. As new wine, so is a new friend; if it becomes old, you shall drink it with gladness.’”UB

    Colter


    Lk 5:33 They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”
    Lk 5:34 Jesus answered, “Can you make the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them?
    Lk 5:35 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast.”
    Lk 5:36 He told them this parable: “No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old.
    Lk 5:37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined.
    Lk 5:38 No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins.
    Lk 5:39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

    Mt 9:14 Then John’s disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?”
    Mt 9:15 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
    Mt 9:16 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.
    Mt 9:17 Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

    Mk 2:18 Now John’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting. Some people came and asked Jesus, “How is it that John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting, but yours are not?”
    Mk 2:19 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them.
    Mk 2:20 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast.
    Mk 2:21 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse.
    Mk 2:22 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins.”

    Now I have quoted the tree places were that story is told,what is it that we should learn from your BOOK ???


    147:7.3, that's not in the Bible

    July 16, 2012 at 3:12 am#306044
    Spock
    Participant

    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter

    July 16, 2012 at 4:37 am#306051
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2012,12:56)

    Quote (jammin @ July 16 2012,12:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2012,00:51)

    Quote (jammin @ July 16 2012,00:42)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2012,18:58)

    Quote (jammin @ July 15 2012,13:58)

    edj
    do you believe that Christ became flesh? yes or no?


    Hi Jammin; “Christ” was born – as we all were.

    Heb 2:16-17 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
    Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful
    and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    God bless
    Ed J


    the question is categorical
    you just need to answer yes or no

    do you believe that Christ became flesh?
    yes or no?


    Hi Jammin,

    Since “Christ” was born – yes Christ became flesh.         …are you trying to go somewhere here?

    God bless
    Ed J


    thanks for the answer
    you said what about Christ's mother.
    your question has been answered


    Hi Jammin,

                            Jesus lineage explained

    “Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
    “Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
    “Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
    At birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!

    At baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)

    Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…

                       Mother         Father
                        Mary         HolySpirit
                         50%           50%
                             \              /
                               \          /
                                 Jesus
                                /        \
                              /            \        
                            /                \
                  Son of Man     Son of God
                 (Mark 6:3)        (Luke 1:35)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    do not use your imagination here boy

    July 16, 2012 at 4:42 am#306054
    Ed J
    Participant

    The information is pretty straight forward.

    July 16, 2012 at 5:38 am#306055
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,21:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2012,13:27)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,13:04)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2012,00:23)
    colter

    Quote
    I understand the concept of Jesus “Christ Michael” as an eternal Son, inseparably unified in divinity with the spirit Father, as co-creator of this world, but I don't really claim to grasp the personification of the Father in his divine Sons.

    were is this in scriptures ??? you what you believe must be the truth and not Gods truth but your s the most liberal one ,were lies and some truth seems to mingle ,the gray line like some call it ,

    Quote
    Religionist commit a tragic disaster when the unknowlinlg dumb things down because they don't understand them at the expense of the profound truth.

    what you are trying to say is ;that you have it and all others do not ??? right ,:D this is why you can not stand the scriptures they always remind you that their is a truth of God ,this must be frustrating ???


    Jesus of the UB:

    (1655.4) 147:7.2 On Tuesday evening Jesus was conducting one of his customary classes of questions and answers when the leader of the six spies said to him: “I was today talking with one of John’s disciples who is here attending upon your teaching, and we were at a loss to understand why you never command your disciples to fast and pray as we Pharisees fast and as John bade his followers.” And Jesus, referring to a statement by John, answered this questioner: “Do the sons of the bridechamber fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as the bridegroom remains with them, they can hardly fast. But the time is coming when the bridegroom shall be taken away, and during those times the children of the bridechamber undoubtedly will fast and pray. To pray is natural for the children of light, but fasting is not a part of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Be reminded that a wise tailor does not sew a piece of new and unshrunk cloth upon an old garment, lest, when it is wet, it shrink and produce a worse rent. Neither do men put new wine into old wine skins, lest the new wine burst the skins so that both the wine and the skins perish. The wise man puts the new wine into fresh wine skins. Therefore do my disciples show wisdom in that they do not bring too much of the old order over into the new teaching of the gospel of the kingdom. You who have lost your teacher may be justified in fasting for a time. Fasting may be an appropriate part of the law of Moses, but in the coming kingdom the sons of God shall experience freedom from fear and joy in the divine spirit.” And when they heard these words, the disciples of John were comforted while the Pharisees themselves were the more confounded.

    (1656.1) 147:7.3 Then the Master proceeded to warn his hearers against entertaining the notion that all olden teaching should be replaced entirely by new doctrines. Said Jesus: “That which is old and also true must abide. Likewise, that which is new but false must be rejected. But that which is new and also true, have the faith and courage to accept. Remember it is written: ‘Forsake not an old friend, for the new is not comparable to him. As new wine, so is a new friend; if it becomes old, you shall drink it with gladness.’”UB

    Colter


    Lk 5:33 They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”
    Lk 5:34 Jesus answered, “Can you make the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them?
    Lk 5:35 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast.”
    Lk 5:36 He told them this parable: “No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old.
    Lk 5:37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined.
    Lk 5:38 No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins.
    Lk 5:39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

    Mt 9:14 Then John’s disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?”
    Mt 9:15 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
    Mt 9:16 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.
    Mt 9:17 Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

    Mk 2:18 Now John’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting. Some people came and asked Jesus, “How is it that John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting, but yours are not?”
    Mk 2:19 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them.
    Mk 2:20 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast.
    Mk 2:21 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse.
    Mk 2:22 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins.”

    Now I have quoted the tree places were that story is told,what is it that we should learn from your BOOK ???


    147:7.3, that's not in the Bible


    colter

    Quote
    1656.1) 147:7.3 Then the Master proceeded to warn his hearers against entertaining the notion that all olden teaching should be replaced entirely by new doctrines. Said
    Jesus: “That which is old and also true must abide. Likewise, that which is new but false must be rejected. But that which is new and also true, have the faith and courage to accept. Remember it is written: ‘Forsake not an old friend, for the new is not comparable to him. As new wine, so is a new friend; if it becomes old, you shall drink it with gladness.’”UB

    I am glad it is not in the scriptures ,that is a piece of JUNK,
    I will not consider this of any value ,this 147;7.3 is killing the truth that Christ is preaching ,again it stinks, sorry for the language,but truth as to be said.

    July 16, 2012 at 6:15 am#306060
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12)
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter


    Quote
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married.

    Colter,

    So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. ???

    AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,

    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???

    PEACE AND LOVE

    IN JESUS

    July 16, 2012 at 10:22 am#306073
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12)
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter


    Quote
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married.

    Colter,

    So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. ???

    AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,

    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???

    PEACE AND LOVE

    IN JESUS


    The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.

    The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.

    Colter

    July 16, 2012 at 2:28 pm#306082
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,21:22)

    Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12)
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter


    Quote
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married.

    Colter,

    So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. ???

    AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,

    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???

    PEACE AND LOVE

    IN JESUS


    The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.

    The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.

    Colter


    Colter.

    To ambrace your doctrine,one have to disregard the holy bible.One can not just pick and choose some scriptures,to satisfy our own believes.

    To disregard the word of God, inspired by the Holy spirit,is therefore disregarding Jesus.
    He came to the world to give light to the world,but the world comprehend it not,for the world is in darkness.And still is.

    God said in Jeremiah.''The land is desolate''.
    There is a hunger,but not of bread,but of the word of God.
    He also said,'' My people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.

    No knowledge; no foundation to stand on in times of triulations.
    But when Christ will rule in his kingdom,knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth,for satan is bound for a thousand years,and then let loose, to do his work for a season.
    To gather the non believers into one one place,then all of them cast into the lake of fire;This is the second death.

    wakeup.

    July 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm#306086
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,04:22)

    Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12)
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter


    Quote
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married.

    Colter,

    So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. ???

    AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,

    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???

    PEACE AND LOVE

    IN JESUS


    The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.

    The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.

    Colter


    Colter

    We all pick and believe according to what is in our hearts,the seduction for rejection of God word is of the devil ,but the love for God and his son is from the spirit of truth,

    July 16, 2012 at 4:22 pm#306096
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,01:43)

    Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,04:22)

    Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12)
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter


    Quote
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married.

    Colter,

    So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. ???

    AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,

    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???

    PEACE AND LOVE

    IN JESUS


    The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.

    The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.

    Colter


    Colter

    We all pick and believe according to what is in our hearts,the seduction for rejection of God word is of the devil ,but the love for God and his son is from the spirit of truth,


    Some chose Jesus, some stayed with the OT scripture. Some picked and chose while others hid behind the false authority of the man made scripture.

    Colter

    July 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm#306097
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 17 2012,01:28)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,21:22)

    Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12)
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter


    Quote
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married.

    Colter,

    So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. ???

    AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,

    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???

    PEACE AND LOVE

    IN JESUS


    The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.

    The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.

    Colter


    Colter.

    To ambrace your doctrine,one have to disregard the holy bible.One can not just pick and choose some scriptures,to satisfy our own believes.

    To disregard the word of God, inspired by the Holy spirit,is therefore disregarding Jesus.
    He came to the world to give light to the world,but the world comprehend it not,for the world is in darkness.And still is.

    God said in Jeremiah.''The land is desolate''.
    There is a hunger,but not of bread,but of the word of God.
    He also said,'' My people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.

    No knowledge; no foundation to stand on in times of triulations.
    But when Christ will rule in his kingdom,knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth,for satan is bound for a thousand years,and then let loose, to do his work for a season.
    To gather the non believers into one one place,then all of them cast into the lake of fire;This is the second death.

    wakeup.


    That's the logic of the religions of traditional authority. I am a disciple of Jesus, I was born of the spirit 27 years ago. You have no standing to judge my status as a child of God. Your legalistic quibbling though is akin to those who rejected the living word of Jesus.

    Colter

    July 16, 2012 at 5:03 pm#306098
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,10:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 17 2012,01:28)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,21:22)

    Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15)

    Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12)
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans.

    Colter


    Quote
    Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married.

    Colter,

    So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. ???

    AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,

    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???

    PEACE AND LOVE

    IN JESUS


    The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.

    The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.

    Colter


    Colter.

    To ambrace your doctrine,one have to disregard the holy bible.One can not just pick and choose some scriptures,to satisfy our own believes.

    To disregard the word of God, inspired by the Holy spirit,is therefore disregarding Jesus.
    He came to the world to give light to the world,but the world comprehend it not,for the world is in darkness.And still is.

    God said in Jeremiah.''The land is desolate''.
    There is a hunger,but not of bread,but of the word of God.
    He also said,'' My people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.

    No knowledge; no foundation to stand on in times of triulations.
    But when Christ will rule in his kingdom,knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth,for satan is bound for a thousand years,and then let loose, to do his work for a season.
    To gather the non believers into one one place,then all of them cast into the lake of fire;This is the second death.

    wakeup.


    That's the logic of the religions of traditional authority. I am a disciple of Jesus, I was born of the spirit 27 years ago. You have no standing to judge my status as a child of God. Your legalistic quibbling though is akin to those who rejected the living word of Jesus.

    Colter


    Colter

    You are using your UB doctrine then you can not claim to be a follower of Christ or hi father ,you may have been baptized but not in Christ as we can read what you teach

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