Is Jesus one of us or is he God?

Let’s be clear. Scripture explicitly states that Jesus is the son of God and we are sons of God. Jesus even calls us brothers because we are part of the same family as him. God never calls us brothers. To him we are his children. This doesn’t sound like Jesus is God does it? 

What does scripture say about who Jesus is. Let’s take a look.

Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Sons of God

Clearly then, we are the same kind of being as Jesus.

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

So both Jesus and us are sons and children of God. We are never brothers to God and God and Jesus are not brothers either. It is written that we will even have the same glorious body as he does.

who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

When we are born from above, we are given a new nature, that is divine nature.

by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature

If not divine nature, then we would still be of the flesh and die in our sins. Instead, we are born again, but we currently remain in a state of flux awaiting our resurrection bodies which will put us at rest and always toward the divine and without sin. Currently we live by divine nature and at other times the flesh nature.

So yes, we know that Jesus was begotten of the Father. So what do you suppose our new birth is?

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come”

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

See. We too are begotten of God.

The difference between redeemed people and Jesus is this. He is the prototype son.

So he is not God as many propose, just as we are not God, even if we have divine nature.

Jesus is the firstborn son among many sons. This is what the Bible teaches.

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  • #868400
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    YOU: Salvation is a work of God and God alone Proclaimer.

    Gene, HOW ABOUT TELLING US SOMETHING ABOUT

    HOW CONDEMNATION CAME?

    WAS IT ALSO GOD’S WILL?

    OR 

     

    LUCIFER’S WILL IN THE FIRST PLACE AS A

    SPIRIT?

    and CONSEQUENTLY 

    ADAM’S WILL IN THE SECOND PLACE AS A

    LIVING SOUL?

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #868401
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene, you need to hear what I said. It is the consequences of your doctrine if it were true.

    Thankfully it is not true and I am betting deep down you wouldn’t want those scenarios to be true either.

    Try to think about things Gene rather than being a stubborn mule. Ask God for revelation. Read scriptures. It will change your mind.

    #868411
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. …..Good advice you should take it, I already have many times proven what I am saying is right,  I realize it is not what “the many” say, about who Jesus was and is,  but it is what “the few” say,  and I am OK with that. 

    Jodi and I are two witiness who have bore witness , to “the truth” here,  it’s not our fault you people are unable to recieve it. Now is it? 

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

     

    #868413
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @t8

    Just to respond to your falsehood about John 20:28.
    You said the greek grammatical structure is not referring to only one person. Really?
    In Psalm 35:23 (Septuagint), the same Greek grammatical structure is used as in John 20:28.
    Psalm 35:23 ho theos mou kai ho kurios mou. My God and my Lord.
    John 20:28 ho kurios mou kai ho theos mou. My Lord and my God.
    The Psalmist David says, “Awake, O Lord, and attend to my judgment, even to my cause, my God and my Lord.”
    David was addressing only one person.
    Since the Greek grammatical structure in John 20:28 is the same, Thomas is clearly referring to Jesus as God.
    Conclusion:
    t8 is wrong. The Bible is right in calling Jesus Christ: Lord and God!
    So t8, do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and God?

    #868418
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer. …..Good advice you should take it, I already have many times proven what I am saying is right, I realize it is not what “the many” say, about who Jesus was and is, but it is what “the few” say, and I am OK with that.

    Your so lucky that your captivated will makes you one of a few people on Earth with the truth.

    No need for the Spirit to lead us. Captivated wills lead all instead apparently And we will all be judged despite it not being anyone’s fault.

    Oh well.

    #868419
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @dannyd

    The Psalmist David says, “Awake, O Lord, and attend to my judgment, even to my cause, my God and my Lord.”
    David was addressing only one person.

    Who was that one person he was addressing?

    #868420
    Ed J
    Participant

    What is the Sword of the Spirit then?

    The Word

    Proclaimer,

    What is the sword that comes out of the rider on the white horse’s mouth?

    Proclaimer?

    #868424
    Berean
    Participant

    And the rider himself is called “THE WORD OF GOD” BECAUSE THE FATHER SPEAKS TO US BY THE SON, HE WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE AND THE NATIONS BY HIS SON. (IT IS THE SON WHO IS ON THE HORSE, SIGN OF KINGDOM)
    Out of his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations; he will rule them with an iron rod; and he will tread the winepress of the fiery wrath of Almighty God (Rev. 19:15)

    #868428
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @t8

    David was praying to his God Yahweh!

     

     

    #868430
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @dannyd

    Okay. So which person is Yahweh?

    #868431
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @edj

    The Word of God (Logos) has the word of God (logos) coming from his mouth?

    The Truth has truth on his lips.

    The Life gives eternal life.

    The Light of the World makes us lights of the world.

    So what is the point.

    Again, it is identity vs nature. Know the difference and all these crazy doctrines about God will disappear.

    Persons are names after attributes they have. It’s common sense really.

    The Word was WITH God in the beginning. God made all things through the Word. God made all things through the Son.

    The Son and the Word of God are the same person. Read Revelations.

    #868450
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer,

    The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”

    Q. What is the Sword of the Spirit then?

    A. The Word

    Proclaimer,

    What is the sword that comes out of the rider on the white horse’s mouth?

    Please don’t dodge

    #868451
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Edj.

    Read the first paragraph of my above post. And remove the question mark. I believe the Word of God speaks God’s word.

    #868454
    Berean
    Participant

    AMEN

     

    And HE    (JESUS CHRIST)

    was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:

    and his name is called

    The Word of God.

     

     

    #868461
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. ….the word of God “is” THE “SPIRIT” OF GOD. go to the letters Jesus spoke to the seven churches of God in Revelations.  What does it say after Jesus spoke,  “Hear what the “SPIRIT” says unto the Churches.  Because Jesus spoke those  words, does not make him the words spoken? THE SAME THING APPLIES TO WHAT EDJ and I by the way are saying.  JESUS HIMSELF SPEAKS THE WORDS OF GOD TO US,  BUT HE HIMSELF IS NOT THOSE WORDS , GOD THE FATHER WHO IS SPIRIT IS THE SOURCE OF THOSE WORDS. NOT JESUS!  John 1 is not saying Jesus is the word of God, God himself is, and it doesn’t matter who he speaks them through, it’s still God the Fathers word being spoken  and no one else’s?  

    peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene 

    #868464
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer,

    The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”

    Q. What is the Sword of the Spirit then?

    A. The Word

    Proclaimer,

    What is the sword that comes out of the rider on the white horse’s mouth?

    Edj.
    I believe the Word of God speaks God’s word.

    Then your answer is: “The Word” is the sword
    that comes out of the rider of the white horse’s mouth; correct?

    #868468
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @t8

    Okay. So which person is Yahweh?

     

    Yahweh is the Father of Jesus Christ!
    I never denied that.

    #868478
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    No excuses Gene and EdJ

    What does it say after Jesus spoke, “Hear what the “SPIRIT” says unto the Churches. Because Jesus spoke those words, does not make him the words spoken? THE SAME THING APPLIES TO WHAT EDJ and I by the way are saying.

    Exactly. Now you are getting it I think.

    He is the Word of God. He speaks the words of God, thus why he is called The Word of God. He was with God in the beginning. All things were created through him.

    He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.

    And in case you want to switch the person for the attribute (Gene & EdJ), we are also taught that all things were created through the Son of God who is Jesus.

    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

    And in case you want to deny that Jesus Christ was the Son of God that God created all things through then you have this verse as a third witness that puts to bed all your protests.

    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

    Remember this Gene and EdJ,

    He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

    No excuses fellas.

    #868485
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. …..if Jesus himself was the word of God himself,  he would not tell us to hear what the SPIRIT was saying.  Where do you get the idea that Jesus himself is the Spirit, being mentioned there?  What you are not getting is the Spirit “of God”,  was speaking through the “man” Jesus. just like HE,  (God) spoke through the prophets. The prophets weren’t “themselves” the word of God, but according to your logic they would have had to be, after all they spoke his words to us. 

    AS FAR AS THE REST OF what you said we’ve all been through  that many times before , the word in the GREEK  (dia) carries the meaning of “for the sake of, or reason or purpose of” , anyone with a Strongs or Greek linear dictionary can prove it for themselves. You have just adopted the tritarian translations , to try to prove a “PREEXISTING” CHRISTOLOGY.   You do the same as they do, force texts to say what in fact it does not “specifically” , say so you add thoughts to the texts. 

    Jesus is not God the Fathers words, never was and never will be,  even through he does speak those ““SPRITUAL WORDS OF GOD THE FATHER to us. 

    That is exactly why Jesus said, after he spoke those words to the Churches “hear what “THE SPIRIT SAY” to the Churches.”  It was the “Spirit” ,  of God,  the Father speaking through him, but it was not him nor his “own” words. No more then if God would have said it through any other prophet. It was God’s words and God’s  alone .  God and his words are one and the same thing  , just as you and yours words are.

    The book of Revelations says,  that God the Father gave Jesus those things to tell the churches.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #868486
    Ed J
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    What is the sword that comes out of the rider on the white horse’s mouth?

    Edj.
    I believe the Word of God speaks God’s word.

    Then your answer is: “The Word” is the sword
    that comes out of the rider of the white horse’s mouth; correct?

    “Yes” ?
    “No” ?

    Which is it?

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