If the Jews reject Jesus as the messiah, should we too?

Not Messiah?

If you read the Old and New testaments, it seems almost certain that the Jews would reject Jesus as their messiah. Why is that? Because the Bible is full of examples where the Jews persecuted and killed the prophets that were sent to them.

Jesus gave a parable to the people about this:

And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. ‘Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?’ They said to Him, ‘He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.’ Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘ The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the LORD’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’? “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

Jesus also said that he would be hated and so will those that follow him:

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 

Jesus actually said quite a lot regarding this subject.

‘O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!

Paul too spoke on this subject.

For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

And Paul explains why there is enmity toward God and by extension the things of God.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

We even read about this persecution of the prophets in the Old Testament. For example, we read this about Elijah who predated the Jewish people.

Then Elijah said to the people, “I alone am left a prophet of the LORD; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

But there is a silver lining to being persecuted by the world according to Jesus.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

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  • #944248
    Nick
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    The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.

    If they are led by the Spirit they will please God in their walk.

    #944249
    Nick
    Participant

    But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under the Law.

    Gal 5.18

    #944252
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To all…….Paul said …….> by the works of “law” no flesh shall be justified before God.   He meant by that that a person who is trying to keep the commandments of God by way the “way “LAW” works,  (all law works through “forced compliance”,  which generates fear in the person being controlled by it) the Ten Commandments were turned into laws (forced compliance at Mount Sini ) Ex 20:20,  just as Moses said….God has done this that the “FEAR” of him would cause them to obey him.

    but laws (forced compliance) Can never make the heart of a person right,  before God,  therefore scripture says by “WORKS” OF LAW, shall no flesh be justified before God”. But God said in scripture……> I will take out of them the stony heart (hard heart) and give them a heart of flesh (soft heart) and I will write my law in their inward parts,  and they shall be my people and I will be their God.

    So true salvation is an operation of God, that he does by giving us his Spirit within us. Which changes our nature in a new and living way.  Praise be to God the Father now and forever.

    peace and love to you all and yours………..gene

    #944253
    Berean
    Participant

    Praise be to God the Father now and forever BY JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.

    #944264
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean,  yes Jesus did give praise to God the father,  but that does you no good , you must also like Jesus praise him yourself also.  You keep trying to put Jesus ahead of your praise for God the father,  why is that?    Jesus never put himself or any other man ahead of God the Father, why are you?  Your religion has corrupted your thinking, causing you to think you can’t praise God the Father without Jesus.

    How do you think Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses and all the prophets gave praise to God,  when Jesus did not even exist yet? God the Father does no need Jesus to Glorify him,  God even told Jesus that,  bet you can’t find it.  If you need help I will show you, just ask?

    peace and love to your and yours Berean…………..gene

    #944594
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @genebalthrop

    We are no longer under any “law”, (forced compliance).

    I thought you didn’t believe in free will?

    Checkmate!

    #944661
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer,  there exists no such thing as a “free Will” All wills are controlled by what is “influencing them”  the most.  Nothing free about it.

    The word , “free will” is an OXYMORON,  because no such thing exists, as I have told you many times.  We are being “CREATED UNTO GOOD WORKS”.  It has nothing to do with a so-called “free Will”,  but it is the Will of God that is at work, just as it says………> “God works in us , “both”  to “WILL” and do His good pleasure.”

    So it is God the Father, that “CAUSES” us to “will” and do “OF” His,  good pleasure.  In fact we can’t even go to Jesus unless the Father draws us, so where does your so-called “free will” by self choice salvation fit into that understanding? 

    peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer………gene

    #944663
    Nick
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    ”Paul and Timothy, bond servants of Christ Jesus, to all the saints in Christ Jesus, including the overseers and deacons; grace and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ”

    phil 1.1 f

    ” for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and work for His good pleasure”

    phil 2.23

     

    The letters of the apostles are specifically addressed to the saved and not to the carnal masses of humanity.

     

    #944664
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Berean:

    You: Praise be to God the Father now and forever BY JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.

    WELL SAID AND PERFECT.

    I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

    NO JESUS NO GOD!

    NO GOD NO JESUS!

    WITHOUT JESUS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, MADE FLESH

    CREATION, CORRUPTED,

    WAS NOT  POSSIBLE!!!

    Matthew 15:24 And he answering, said:

    I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of

    the house of Israel. 

    THE HOUSE IS JACOB, THE HUMAN RACE, ALL IN THE SON OF MAN, HIDDEN IN JACOB’S BODY SUBSTANCE! 

    ISRAEL, IS JESUS, THE TRUE ISREAL, THE SON OF GOD, THE HOLY GHOST ALL SOULS, GOD’S CHOSEN, HIDDEN IN JACOB GOD’S SERVANT,

    THE CARRIER OF JESUS CHRIST  PRE-EXISTING AS A SPIRIT

    Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, and hear this:

    I have not spoken in secret from the beginning:

    IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD……..THE WORD WAS GOD!

    from the time before it was done,

    I was there,

    JESUS’PRE-EXISTENCE!

    and now the Lord God hath sent ME, and HIS SPIRIT.

    HAS SENT ME “THE WORD” MADE FLESH JESUS THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’HUMAN NATURE!

    AND HIS SPIRIT, THE HOLY GHOST, JESUS’ SOUL, JESUS DIVNE NATURE!

    John4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting:

    that both he that soweth,

    and he that reapeth,

    may rejoice together.

    37For in this is the saying true:

    That it is one man that soweth,

    and it is another that reapeth.

    38I have sent you to reap that in which you did not labour: others have laboured, and you have entered into their labours.

    BOTH IN JACOB!

    SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rv.13:8

    THE FACT THAT 

    ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM

    JESUS CHRIST

    GODMAN!

    Romans 5:6 For why did Christ,

    when as yet we were weak, according to the time,

    die for the ungodly? 

    7For scarce for a just man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man some one would dare to die.

     8But God commendeth HIS charity towards us;

    HIS CHARITY, JESUS’  CHARITY,  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE FATHER, AS HE COULD NOT DIE, AND  CREATION  ALL IN JESUS, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH FOR THE SKE OF

    THE KINGDOM OF THE SON???

    because when as yet we were sinners, according to the time, 

    9Christ died for us;

    much more therefore, being now justified by his blood,

    shall we be saved from wrath through HIM. 

    JESUS CHRIST AS HE REIGNS AS

    GODMAN

    10For if, when we were enemies,

    we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son;

    much more, being reconciled,

    shall we be saved by his life. 

    BY THE LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST

    11And not only so;

    but also we glory in God,

    through our Lord Jesus Christ,

    by whom we have now received reconciliation.

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #944669
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick you said……..> The letters of the apostles are specifically addressed to the saved and not to the carnal masses of humanity.

    Nick I totally agree with that,  but there is still no such thing as a Will that is free even in carnel minded people, because they are driven by the lust that work in them, and their work are driven by the things that influence them the most, which is  by the lusts that work in them,  remember what John said,…“for “all” that is in the world. the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, that pride of life , are of the world, and the world is passing away , and the lust with it”.

    God the Father does allow us and them to exercise our wills freely, but that is not saying that the  “WILL” , “itself “, is free, no far from it, the Will is held captive by what is “influencing” it the most. If that weren’t the case then there would not even exist a Will.

    Our WILL’S ARE what “drives”  our actions, rather Carmel or Spiritual, makes no difference.
    The Carmel mind’s Will is “driven” Carnally,  and the saved mind is “driven” Spiritually , but both do what is driving or influencing the most, makes no difference, both are driven by what is influencing them the most,  none of that ever makes the Will’s themselves, free at All, in fact  the opposite , we are held “captive” by our Will’s.  Which is a good thing if a person has the “Spirit of the living God” in them.

    peace and love to you and yours Nick……….gene

    #944672
    Nick
    Participant

     

    Hi DT,

    You claim that God has invited you to approach Him without a middleman.So you never needed a high priest to approach God on your behalf for the forgiveness of your sins, as you do not know any sins you could be accused of and believe God accepts you as you are because He created you.?
    So the intercession of the man Jesus Christ between God and men offered in 1 Tim 2, where God is called our Saviour, is not necessary for you ?

    Heb 9.11 f

    But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come , he entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood. He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled for the cleansing of flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    #944674
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    DT…….. “UNTO US”, (true believers that is) , there is but “ONE” God, and one “MEDIATOR”  between God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ. ” , not the GOD Jesus Christ,  as 90% or more believe in fallen Christianity.

    Remember DT, what Jesus said , “if you reject him , you also reject the one who sent him. And we know the one that sent him was God the Father. Return to the sheep fold where you belong brother.

    peace and love to you and yours DT………..gene

    #945264
    4th king
    Participant

    Hello, – The jewish faith has alot of things right in there Kabbalah, the reason they rejected Jesus as the 3rd king was really to do with the next 4th king to come out into the public eye after the global nuclear war very soon & jesus states this in the bible when he says the son of man comes out after a war or brief war, most religious people think the son of man meaning is referring to jesus only but this is simply the lower self ego getting in the way here, plus the Jewish folks ego tells them the new king or messiah is going to be a jewish man & this is incorrect also,

    Now this next part you will find very hard to believe if you have core beliefs over the entire bible, core beliefs are a bad thing because they dont allow the real truth to get through to those with core beliefs,

    So the bible states jesus was killed on the cross, this is not true, another enlightened man who looked alot like jesus took his place on the cross and his name was El Moria if i spelt that right, you can look him up anyhow,  after the last roman left the compound where they were holding jesus in a cell his mother come along and let him out of the cell where he escaped to eastern europe, he shaved his beard off and lived to a ripe old age of 112 years, – I understand hearing this for the 1st time is hard to except and the question of why would they bible lie about this, well the bible is really has 20 percent of its information to be correct and the rest is not true because the big decieving of the bible comes from E/Ts named the Anunnaki from planet Nibru on our solar system that is a 4th density planet & is why we dont see it with our 3rd density eyes, the God in the bible named Yahweh was really a murderous entity named Enlil of the Anunnaki bloodline, they won the rights to our planet earth in a war about 300 thousand years ago and represent the black light or dark side, we and I represent the white light of life & this is what the end times are really all about, killing these Anunnaki and other E/Ts who help them to take back the planet for 4th density consciousness comming in 2025, this is what i am doing here trying to enlighten you all on what i have learnt as this new 4th king or messiah, i dont like the word messiah as it sounds like worship and this is not required by anyone, I dont expect you to believe me right now but you will come to believe me when i come out into the public arena after the nuclear war for resons i wont go into right now as the info ive shared already is hard enough to take in & i hope you can just follow up on it and research some of it as many other people are doing also.

    With love & kea light – Lee ram (4th king)

    #945265
    Nick
    Participant

    Welcome Darth Vader.

    Another new “reality”is born.

    #945268
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    4th king ……..WHAT! , what fruitcake did you jump out of?  You need some real help to get your head straight brother.

    peace and love to you and your ………….gene

     

    #945272
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @lee_ram

    Repent for your blasphemy!

    #945283
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi @lee_ram . Let me guess, you are the second coming?

    Bahahahahaha!

    #945303
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    Jehovah God and His Son Jesus Christ will always be victorious.

    #945304
    4th king
    Participant

    Your right Jehovah God speaks of the real God or source entity number o1, there faith comes from an american dentist sometime in the late 1800’s period who channed angelic beings whom gave him all the information he needed to go forth with the faith, & we are close to the time again of harvest of souls for the king of our new event space today, unfortunately it will be a very low harvest for those holding enough light to harvest to incarnate into 4th density, the rest of you will have to repeat 3rd density all over again, however our God says he is getting rid of 3rd density for incarnate humanoids at some stage,

    As for Jesus he or rarther she will be victourious your right to say so, he has incarnated as a woman this time round and gets to marry the lamb very soon, she is a 27 year old woman named Carla Johnson who is a military nurse in the USA, she is a part of the secret space program that will come to be known late next year sometime i suspect, so this is what the real 2nd comming means & she is to be the Queen spoken about somewhere in the bible i forget what part now, another interesting incarnation of Jesus & Carla’s was Goddess Isis of ancient egypt, Isis was the one who found my previous lifes dead body as khnum and made him into the Ram headed man.

    Have a great joyful day & if you choose to grow your white light of life then meditate in the dark with bare feet like Jesus once told his people.

    #945305
    4th king
    Participant

    Hello Nick – It seems your spirit is on the right track here by putting the thought of the Star wars movie into your mind, jesus says humanity has no origional thoughts & they give humans thoughts even negitive ones to help keep them away from danger etc,

    You see there is much truth to the Star wars movie, the Darth Vader fellow is actually one of the Anunnaki beings named ENKI, this is why he wears black, the new incarnate jesus plays Carla Johnson as princess Leya, she works as a nurse for the secret space programe, i wont go into the rest of it right now as i realize this must sound like madness to you right now, yet if you take the time to some research you will find out the secret space programe is true and the star wars movie is really a documentary, infact its all about this movie & Jupiter asscending movie that comes to be in 2025, the reptilians are real and some can shape shift into humans, we used to be able to shape shift like this before 10 of our 12 strands of DNA were taken out of us under the control of the Anunnaki who won our planet in a space war roughly 300 thousand years ago, some of these guys can live for hundreds of thousands of years by injesting Gold in some monolithic form along with putting Nano technology into there bloodstream, its quite a confusing story when you really dig deep in it but the truth is finally comming out now.

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