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  • April 5, 2015 at 9:30 pm#792853
    Proclaimer
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    It would make no difference from our point if view if we went to be with Jesus immediately or if we slept and awoke to be with him. Unless sleeping meant consciousness, then we would die and the next thing we know would be us with Christ, except time would have passed by in the meantime. I am open to either view.

    It is written that the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we who remain will be taken up to be with the Lord. If the dead in Christ rise first, then is that all in the same moment, or is it when we are away from our body.

    There are a number of things to consider.

    • Graves were opened and some saints of old came to life after Jesus rose from the dead.
    • The souls of men killed for their testimony of Christ during tribulation are under the throne of God and are told to rest a little while longer till their number is complete.
    • Hades was divided into two parts, one for the righteous and the other for the wicked. This may not be the case since Jesus died though.
    • Just as people are destined to die once, after that we face judgment,

    Whether we go to be with Christ immediately, or at an allotted time, if there is no consciousness between, it will from our perspective be no different. If sleep is in a conscious state, then it should be beautiful because we will be with the Lord as it is written. If we go to be with Christ immediately, then of course that will be beautiful too. But all these issues on timing may not make sense to us in this world compared to an eternal realm. Things could we way different to how we imagine things. Eye has not seen what God has in store for those that love him.

    April 6, 2015 at 7:08 am#792902
    NickHassan
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    Hi Andrew,

    No it is spiritual language you are dealing with.

    When Jesus said they would not die what did he mean?

    He meant that though they died and slept in the earth, because they were of the eternal Spirit they would rise again and never see the second death.

     

    So Just as Abraham is alive to God so are they.

    April 7, 2015 at 8:54 pm#793153
    NickHassan
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    Hi Andrew,

    Eph 2.4

    “..but God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ[by grace you have been saved]and raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus”

    Spiritually we are one with Jesus as soon as we share his Spirit.

    April 14, 2015 at 8:55 am#793981
    carmel
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    Spiritually we are one with Jesus as soon as we share his Spirit.

    Nick,

    I would mostly appreciate it if you were to make clear what actually do you mean, and how by:

    SHARING CHRIST’S SPIRIT

    SINCE ONLY THAT WAY WE ACQUIRE HIS UNFATHOMABLE POURING OF HIS GRACES!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 14, 2015 at 10:07 am#793992
    NickHassan
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    hi C,

    The Spirit of Christ was poured out on the disciples at Pentecost.

    The same blessing was promised to those who obeyed the words of Peter in acts 2.38-39

    Nothing has changed. God is still willing to join all He calls to Christ Jesus by giving them of the Holy Spirit.

     

    Then we become one in Spirit with the Father and the Son and the others in the Body of Christ

    April 20, 2015 at 9:06 am#794970
    carmel
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    Nothing has changed. God is still willing to join all He calls to Christ Jesus by giving them of the Holy Spirit.

    Then we become one in Spirit with the Father and the Son and the others in the Body of Christ

    Nick,

    So God would call a particular person, and this person would believe in Jesus!and then what?

    How would he receive the Holy Spirit?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 20, 2015 at 9:09 am#794971
    NickHassan
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    Hi C,

    What does Acts say?

    Those who repented were baptised in the name of Jesus and hands were laid on them to receive the Holy Spirit.

    There are many many examples that God gave us in this book.

    April 20, 2015 at 9:10 am#794972
    NickHassan
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    Hi C,

    Romans 8 says if we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are none of his.

    It is vital.

    Acts 2.39 says the promise remains for those who respond

    April 21, 2015 at 4:33 am#795065
    carmel
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    Those who repented were baptised in the name of Jesus and hands were laid on them to receive the Holy Spirit.

    Nick,

    So according to you when a person is baptised, he would receive the Holy Spirit, he would be saved, SIMPLY BECAUSE  he was baptise, and  he would be sharing Jesus Christ’s spirit!

    EVEN IF HE LIVES COMPLETELY A SINFUL LIFE THROUGHOUT!

    IS THAT RIGHT???

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 21, 2015 at 4:55 am#795066
    carmel
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    Nick,

    Also I am still curious HOW WE SHOULD SHARE CHRIST’S SPIRIT!!!

    To share something is to have:

    a part or portion of a larger amount which is divided among a number of people, or to which a number of people contribute.

    So what actually Christ’s spirit OBVIOUS, Jesus when he was like all his brethren on earth did, obtained, and achieved, in order to have a share of all what he DID,OBTAINED AND ACHIEVED?

    Peace and love in Jesus

     

    Chgarles

     

    April 21, 2015 at 5:53 am#795070
    kerwin
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    t8,

    Hades was divided into two parts, one for the righteous and the other for the wicked. This may not be the case since Jesus died though.

    I do not see any evidence of a change in nature of things.

    Jesus died and went to the Paradise of Sheol.

    Revelations does mention souls that are under the altar but since the book of Revelations is prophecy that is most like a symbolic representative of the truth. The only passage of Scripture I know that may aid in understanding the symbology of that passage from Revelations is Exodus 27:5. I believe there is more.

    April 21, 2015 at 8:37 pm#795161
    NickHassan
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    Hi c,

    No someone who has repented and been baptised does not necessarily receive of the Spirit.

    Ask, seek, knock.

     

    Many stumble at the first hurdle

    April 21, 2015 at 8:43 pm#795162
    NickHassan
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    Hi C,

    The Father shared the Spirit of Christ with the believers at Pentecost.jn 14.26

    That Spirit is shared among all who come and join the body of Christ.

     

    But only an earnest of the Spirit is given and again it is up to us to build on the investment God made in us.

    Ask, seek, knock.

    April 21, 2015 at 8:50 pm#795163
    NickHassan
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    Hi C,

    ”

    a part or portion of a larger amount which is divided among a number of people, or to which a number of people contribute.

    So what actually Christ’s spirit OBVIOUS, Jesus when he was like all his brethren on earth did, obtained, and achieved, in order to have a share of all what he DID,OBTAINED AND ACHIEVED?”

    Can you please explain what this means.

     

    April 22, 2015 at 9:21 am#795241
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    I do not see any evidence of a change in nature of things.
    Jesus died and went to the Paradise of Sheol.
    Revelations does mention souls that are under the altar but since the book of Revelations is prophecy that is most like a symbolic representative of the truth. The only passage of Scripture I know that may aid in understanding the symbology of that passage from Revelations is Exodus 27:5. I believe there is more.

    When we die we are present with the Lord. When Jesus Christ rose from the dead, the graves of some were opened.

    Jesus took the keys of death right. So the dead in Christ rise first. We are told that they are with him the moment they die.

    Where is Christ now?

    Looks to me like there is plenty of evidence of a change.

    April 22, 2015 at 10:01 am#795244
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    “We are told that they are with him the moment they die.”

    Where is this specified?

    April 22, 2015 at 3:33 pm#795308
    Proclaimer
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    Paul teaches that to be away from the body is to be present with the Lord.

    We are also told that the dead in Christ rise first, even before the those who are alive and remain are transformed and taken up.

    It is not one instant moment of all being raised and transformed at the same time according to at least two scriptures that Paul penned in his letters.

    April 22, 2015 at 3:52 pm#795312
    kerwin
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    t8,

    His point is not that when he looses his body he will be with God but rather he would rather loose his body and be with God than have a body and not be with God. In verse 4 he states he does not want to be unclothed.

    2 Corinthians 5:1-10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 if so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (for we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    April 22, 2015 at 4:04 pm#795313
    NickHassan
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    Hi T8,

    But it does not say INSTANTLY?

    April 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm#795316
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Paul says ” we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be …”

    The only when that he mention is when the sheep and the goats are present before our Lord Jesus Christ.

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