Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)

I answered your first question. Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine boy
ill repeat

i still have a question for you

you do believe that you and your father are both human.

my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

im talking about your nature and your father's nature

Jamin

You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.

March 29, 2013 at 3:31 am#339991

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jammin,

I answered your first question. Now answer MY first question BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

March 29, 2013 at 2:48 pm#340037

GeneBalthrop

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MIke…….Wrong………Jesus is of the HUman Kind, and has recieved God's Sprit in him Making him a son of the God Kind, Just as all human kind can have also. Also a person can have the Sprit of a Devil Kind , makeing him a son of the devil kind. Mike the problem is you not understanding what a SPIRIT “IS”> IMO

peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………………….gene

March 29, 2013 at 8:11 pm#340051

carmel

Participant

Gene wrote:

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.Jesus is of the HUman Kind, and has recieved God's Sprit in him

Gene,

Wrong!

Jesus is God's own spirit!

Jesus is the word made flesh!

Jesus is the Godhead in flesh body!

Jesus is Almighty God glorified

John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified and

GOD IS GLORIFIED IN HIM

32If God be glorified in him,

GOD WILL ALSO GLORIFY HIM IN HIMSELF;

and immediately will he glorify him

THE ABOVE IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL,AND IT NEEDS SOME HELL OF A TWISTING TO DEFINE IT THAT :

JESUS IS NOT GLORIFIED IN GOD ( SPIRIT)

AND

GOD IS NOT GLORIFIED IN JESUS ( FLESH)

THEREFORE BOTH UNITED AS ONE

Matthew 19:4 Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? (SOUL AND FLESH)And he said: 5For this cause shall a man( THE SON) leave father (ALMIGHTY TO CREATE ALL)and mother, (MARY, AFTER CREATED ALL)and shall cleave to his wife,(THE MYSTICAL BODY OF THE CHURCH) and they two (THE FATHER AND THE SON)shall be in one flesh.(BODY) 6Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

March 30, 2013 at 4:50 am#340090

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)

I answered your first question. Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine boy
ill repeat

i still have a question for you

you do believe that you and your father are both human.

my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

im talking about your nature and your father's nature

Jamin

You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.

good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.

March 30, 2013 at 4:51 am#340091

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2013,14:31)

jammin,

I answered your first question. Now answer MY first question BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine
ill repeat
do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?
yes or no?

just answer yes or no

March 30, 2013 at 4:50 pm#340132

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jammin,

Here are the possible answers to my question:

1. Yes Mike, God is a SPECIES, of which the Father and Son are both members.

2. No Mike, God is not a SPECIES, and therefore my attempt to compare the nature of humans, who ARE all members of the same species, with God, who is a PERSON and NOT a species, is a big waste of time that proves nothing.

Which answer do you choose, jammin?

March 30, 2013 at 4:58 pm#340133

Participant

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)

I answered your first question. Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine boy
ill repeat

i still have a question for you

you do believe that you and your father are both human.

my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

im talking about your nature and your father's nature

Jamin

You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.

good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.

jamin

and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,

April 1, 2013 at 1:28 am#340313

Participant

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)

I answered your first question. Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine boy
ill repeat

i still have a question for you

you do believe that you and your father are both human.

my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

im talking about your nature and your father's nature

Jamin

You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.

good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.

jamin

and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,

of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.

April 1, 2013 at 1:28 am#340314

Participant

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,03:50)

jammin,

Here are the possible answers to my question:

1. Yes Mike, God is a SPECIES, of which the Father and Son are both members.

Which answer do you choose, jammin?

you did not answer mine
ill repeat
do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?
yes or no?

just answer yes or no

after you answer mine, ill answer yours

April 1, 2013 at 1:37 am#340316

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Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28)

do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?

after you answer mine, ill answer yours

I'll believe it when I see it.

Here is my answer. I must write it in a way that you can't clip it and say, “thanks for your answer”. Hmmm…………….

All members of the SPECIES known as “humankind” share a “human” nature.

Now here is my question:

Do all members of the SPECIES known as “God” share a “God” nature? YES or NO?

April 2, 2013 at 12:08 am#340445

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,12:37)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28)

do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?

after you answer mine, ill answer yours

I'll believe it when I see it.

Here is my answer. I must write it in a way that you can't clip it and say, “thanks for your answer”. Hmmm…………….

All members of the SPECIES known as “humankind” share a “human” nature.

Now here is my question:

Do all members of the SPECIES known as “God” share a “God” nature? YES or NO?

Mike…….If I took a cup of water from a lake and gave it to you to drink, tell me is it any different then the water in the lake , no it is the “exact.” Same, right?, and ounce you drank it , that exact same water is “in” you. So it is with spirit .

God said I shall “pour” forth of my spirit upon ” all” flesh , that is the spirit of God anointing that person he pours it on. We become anointed by that pouring forth from YAHWEH of that Spirit , and he then abides “in” us, just as he abided “in” Jesus. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

April 2, 2013 at 12:37 am#340447

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Gene,

Did you post this in the wrong thread?

April 2, 2013 at 1:00 am#340450

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Quote (jammin @ April 01 2013,07:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)

I answered your first question. Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine boy
ill repeat

i still have a question for you

you do believe that you and your father are both human.

my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

im talking about your nature and your father's nature

Jamin

You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.

good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.

jamin

and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,

of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.

Jamin

Right,but one his the supreme God that is not created and the other one a lesser god that as been created out of the direct powers of the first one ,and for those reasons he his the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ALMIGHTY ,

April 3, 2013 at 9:38 am#340665

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Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,12:00)

Quote (jammin @ April 01 2013,07:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)

I answered your first question. Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine boy
ill repeat

i still have a question for you

you do believe that you and your father are both human.

my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

im talking about your nature and your father's nature

Jamin

You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.

good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.

jamin

and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,

of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.

Jamin

nice to know that you are accepting the truth that we are both HUMAN by nature.

but you do not want to accept the truth that Christ has the same nature just like his father. he is God by nature.
you cant read in the bible that christ is a lesser god. only that fake NWT says he is god but ALL OF THE VERSIONS SAY HE IS GOD.
do you understand that?
ill repeat
ONLY THAT FAKE NWT SAYS CHRIST IS god.

all versions say christ is God and not god.

so stop dreaming boy.
believe what is truly written in the bible.
Christ has the same nature just like his father. he is God by nature.
he is not created.
col 1.16 talk about supremacy of christ
you should read the context well before making conclusions

April 3, 2013 at 9:40 am#340666

Participant

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,12:37)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28)

do you agree that WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE, HUMAN?

after you answer mine, ill answer yours

I'll believe it when I see it.

Here is my answer. I must write it in a way that you can't clip it and say, “thanks for your answer”. Hmmm…………….

All members of the SPECIES known as “humankind” share a “human” nature.

Now here is my question:

Do all members of the SPECIES known as “God” share a “God” nature? YES or NO?

the term species came from human.

i cant read in the bible that God is a species.
so im telling to you what is written in the bible.
i can read word for word that Christ and his father have the same nature and that is nature God.
they are both God by nature,.
read jn 1.1
phil 2.6
and many more.
understand the contxt well before making conclusions.
do not read your fake NWT because this will lead you to confusion

April 3, 2013 at 1:34 pm#340683

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Quote (jammin @ April 03 2013,15:38)

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,12:00)

Quote (jammin @ April 01 2013,07:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,03:58)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,16:16)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 27 2013,09:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:39)

I answered your first question. Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?

Here it is again: I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.

Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

you did not answer mine boy
ill repeat

i still have a question for you

you do believe that you and your father are both human.

my next question is do you believe that your nature is HUMAN?

im talking about your nature and your father's nature

Jamin

You and I are human ,in nature and I am glad you are NOT related to me.

good you now know that WE have the same NATURE, HUMAN

you must also accept that christ and his father have the same nature, God.

jamin

and now that you know what it means that we are of the same nature but we are not the same persons ,

so now you can see how God the father and god the son being of the same nature are not the same beings,

of course we are not the same person but we are both Human

Christ and his father are not the same person but they are both God by nature.

Jamin

nice to know that you are accepting the truth that we are both HUMAN by nature.

all versions say christ is God and not god.

Jamin

But I have accepted that Christ as the same nature than his father and so he his a god but not his father ,how could a son be his own father ,even if they have the same nature,

We have already establish that we have the same nature but we are not the same people ,you have accepted this and now rejected ,???

April 5, 2013 at 2:11 am#340876

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Quote (jammin @ April 03 2013,03:40)

so im telling to you what is written in the bible.
i can read word for word that Christ and his father have the same nature and that is nature God.

Where can you read in the Bible that “God” is a nature?

Having the nature OF “God” is not the same as saying “God” IS a “nature”.

God is a person, jammin. He (not “they”) is a being. “God” is the word used to describe the PERSON who created all things. It is never used in scripture to define a “nature”.

April 5, 2013 at 2:13 am#340877