Hi Gene,

YOU: Scriptures are a bsolutely clear as well as our brother the man Jesus who said himself,  ““clearly”,

ME: PURE LIES

“THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE,”

ME: A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS 

that they might know “YOU” (not me),

ME: (IN ME, JESUS, PHYSICALLY AS GOD IS

SPIRIT, like Satan is: Isaiah 14:14 …. I will be like the most High. ON EARTH!!!)

the “ONLY” “TRUE”  GOD, and Jesus whom you have sent”. 

ME: OTHERWISE GOD THE FATHER WOULD REMAIN AN UNKNOWN, MYSTERIOUS SPIRIT AND 

REJECTED AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

SIMPLY, AS THINGS, IN GENERAL,

TO BE TRUE ON EARTH, THEY MUST BE

PHYSICALLY MANIFESTED!!!

It  is obvious you as others do not apply nor believe what Jesus himself “clearly said” LU.

ME: IT IS YOU, Gene,

THAT YOU ARE BLIND I’M AFRAID, 

Luke 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear:

for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and

whosoever hath not,

from him shall be taken even that which

he seemeth to have.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Carmel…..Having the essence of something does not make you that essence,  the Spirit of God,  which you use in a ‘mysterious” form as meaning the same as, it a “LIE”  the “essence”  never makes you that essence ,  the spirit of God  can be considered as an essence of God,  but that does not make anyone who has it a God,  not none of those who were anointed with it, like  MOSES, THE PROPHETS  the seventy elders of Israel,  JOHN THE BAPTIST, NOR THE MAN JESUS, nor any of the Saints of God. None of them who have the “essence ” ie, Spirit  of God,  ever made anyone a God,  as you false teachers , and that includes The “man” Jesus. 

Carmel, we  like Jesus, believe in “ONLY” ONE TRUE GOD,  and it sure was not Jesus. When are you ever going to start to believe like Jesus believed, and pray to him who Jesus prayed to? You know the “ONE” he told us to pray to. To his GOD AND “OUR” GOD, HIS FATHER AND “OUR” FATHER. He showed us all how to pray,  “OUR” Father who is in heaven.  DID YOU NOTICE THE WORD “OUR” there , that he was including us equally as him, but you false teachers try desperately to move Jesus away from his human brothers and sister and enthrone him as you GOD, Jesus would not do that in a milliom years, or even think , NOR try to even portray himself as a GOD .  Repent while you still can Carmel, or you will face your Idolatrous teaching at his comming.  2THS2.  

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

“They are TWO distinct divine persons.”

Yes, they are.

…our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:3

Exactly. One is God and one is his Son.

Hi Proclaimer, YES, so simple!

Why does religion try to muddy the clear water of “The Word” of God ????

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or
wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” (Eph 5:26-27)

Proclaimer,

You asked:

LU and others. Do you say ‘yes yes’, ‘yes no’, or what.

Are both statements true?

1.For us, there is one God the Father and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.
2.For us, there is one Lord the Father and one God, the God Jesus Christ

My answer:

1.Yes

2.No

Question for you Proclaimer:

Regarding Hebrews 1:8… (btw, notice the Greek article before the word “theos”):

But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Does the word “theos” in the above verse apply to the Father or to the Son? 

LU

Hello LU

I know you didn’t ask me, yet I respond.

Look at the reference in Hebrews 1:8, is Psalms 45:6 . H430 is elohiym.

H3068 is YHWH or Jehovah (German [and spanish] have a non “Jay” sounding J, it is a Y sound. English mispronounced and continued, to the pronunciation Jehovah we have heard today)

Psalms 82:6-7
[6]I have said, Ye are gods;(H430) and all of you are children of the most High.
[7]But ye shall die* like men, and fall like one of the princes.

*Clearly not gods as we would define them

Psalms 96:4-5
[4]For the LORD (H3068) is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.(H430)
[5]For all the gods(H430) of the nations are idols: but the LORD(H3068) made the heavens.

H430 Contrasted with H3068 YHWH

Deuteronomy 32:17
[17]They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; (H433) to gods(H430) whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

H433 is diety or The Diety

So who could these H430 be?

Ephesians 6:12
[12]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers (G2888) of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

G2888 is kosmokrator. As in world ruler.

Ephesians 2:2
[2]Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,(G2889) according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

G2889 is kosmos

1 John 2:15
[15]Love not the world(G2889), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 15:19
[19]If ye were of the world,(G2889) the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

1 John 4:3
[3]And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.(G2889)

Just saying, might be the principalities and rulers of the nations, the cosmic behind the scenes spiritual warfare … explains why they are anti-Christ, they lose control.

Re: trinity
,
Colossians 1:15,17,19
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[17]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[19]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Colossians 2:9
[9]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Corinthians 8:6
[6]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 10:30
[30]I and my Father are one.

1 John 5:7
[7]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 Corinthians 11:3
[3]But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Not ventriloquism :
Luke 3:22
[22]And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

2 Corinthians 13:14
[14]The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. (The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.)

Blessings in Christ!

@berean

Yahweh is called in the Old Testament both God and Lord.
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim and the Hebrew word for Lord is Adonai.

So 1 Corinthians 8:6 doesn’t prove unitarianism.
Don’t let these guys confuse you!
I’m outta here, God bless you!

Welcome Nobody_Special,

Are you brand new to Heaven Net or have you been here before by another name? I’m wondering what question specifically are you addressing of mine and what is your answer in just as few of words as possible. Is it regarding this question:

But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Does the word “theos” in the above verse apply to the Father or to the Son?

BTW, don’t undermine yourself, you are someone special, made in the very image of the God of the universe.

I hope you enjoy your time at HN.

LU

1.  I didn’t make a statement, just provided the Word of God. Preconceived notions are interesting.
2. Metanoia is repentance, changing our minds about?
3. Are we trying to find the Truth, worship the One True Living God, or demean “Trinitarian” Christians?
4. SDA and Sabbath keepers tend to focus on wrath and impending judgment of the Catholic and offshoot protestants (they didn’t reform it all the way to the roots) and call it a harlot church. Dangerous doctrine. Let’s say the Holy Spirit given to men after pentecost is a separate entity than : God the Father in the Holy of Holies or : God the Son ministering priestly duties on the throne (an aside: is Jesus on the throne now or later, [He currently has the keys of death and life] I Guess Jesus is only on the throne of believers (hearts) who are in the Kingdom of light, living by His rulership and following His Words, commands, rules.) If that is the case, then those denying, imply the 3rd member of the Godhead (trinity) is unworthy (demon, unclean spirit or Satan). Sounds dangerously close to blasphemy of the holy spirit. Those people appear to fall from grace emphasizing works and will worship ( self righteousness ) while embodying the spirit of accuser and slandering / being an adversary (what is the Hebrew meaning of Satan, again?) of the true saints of God ?!
5. Why are cults labeled differently among different groups? Most evangelical & reformed Christianity agrees JW are cults, as Mormons, and others who deny the God-ness of Jesus.
6. Well if Jesus is created, He cannot be God, and rightfully receive worship (unless God made Him both Lord and Christ). If we bring Jesus down, we aren’t reverential and kissing the son psalms 2:12. After all, Thomas said my Lord and my God.
7. Arm of salvation. Image of the invisible God, could Jesus literally be the right arm/hand of God, not the full picture, but no less God and that is revealed to us? Lamb chops sock puppet show?
8. What if Jesus is the God of man? [God appointed Jesus to Receive and direct Worship to Him as an intermediary conduit] Let’s say God was going to destroy everyone, but The Word, Jesus (as the husbandman) stepped in and said, let me fertilize around the tree. Let me show them how to live right.
9. Image of the invisible God. Conformed into His image, the image of Christ, God said, let us make man in our own image. He xeroxed the Word (Angel/avatar/Image) of the Lord of Hosts, preincarnate Jesus, and made Adam 1.0
10. What are the ramifications of Jesus being God, how does that undo true religion? Because people believe they are right with Jesus, they stop trying? They don’t believe they need to work out salvation with fear and trembling, they don’t believe man can stop sinning, thereby they stay in slavery to sin. If they aren’t  worshipping the One True God they are committing idolatry. If Jesus is a (perfect sinless) man, they are responsible for being like the master and stop sinning because He is perfect man with Holy spirit and we received the same, so let’s go, faith to faith glory to glory.
11. God needed a physical vessel to put the image in, so before Jesus the man, The Word was the image /”angel of the Lord” directed by God the Father (noone has seen, He is Spirit). The Lord of Hosts is the avatar of God the Father, if you will. The representation of the
12. 2nd Adam (2.0) is a life giving spirit, Truly made in the image of God
13. What’s the purpose of the communication of God toward man? Stop running, hiding, fear not, only believe. He touched me and I revived. That they know you, and the one you sent. And all the world will know I AM the Lord
14. Jesus said, it is not I, my Father speaks through me
15. This guy’s site says Christ is a new reality (almost like “quadity”) Father, Word, Holy Spirit converged in Jesus the man, after the life and death, in the glorification is Christ, the completion, man united in harmony in God , restoring the rightful order, the Kosmos
16. John 3:16 for God so loved the Order, He gave His son (Word made flesh, Logos, plan, schema, ) so you would not perish in destruction
17. The head of woman is man, man is Christ, Christ is God.
18. Whether in earth or in heaven, reconciling the world to himself in Christ.
19. God wishing to make known to the world (the angelic entities) the riches of His grace toward you (believing mortal human).
20. This might have some NT wright influence but I’ve only read about him
21. Jesus is full of Grace and Truth, He is in the bosom, closest to the Father,(only Jesus could convey the Nature of God in Human Form) at the appropriate time, the revelation of the mystery of Godliness, God man-ifested in the flesh, received into glory… for our sakes He became poor, he derobed (same word as angels left their first estate [multidimensional immortal to 3 dimensional mortal], he left His place as rightful heir of everything and took the place of a servant to make whosoever right with God. Jesus submitted to the will of the Father. (Showing us the high holy way of eternity, suffering for righteousness sake, good overcomes evil, selfless agape love fulfills the law)
22. He wanted to show us He was there in our suffering.  Whenever we sinned, He was being smitten and grieved. The punishment of our iniquity fell on Him. Proud man says I’ll take my lumps, do the time for the crime. No, grace says I’ll deny myself, I’ll suffer so you may live. Those who have been forgiven much, love much. Those who have received grace, give, and count it a pleasure to serve the Lord and follow in His footsteps.
23. Why faith? God is, and we receive His revelation of what pleases Him. There is a possibility of Faith being a supernatural law that God will not change (because of His nature, linked to free will). So we have to start with believing God is, True, Good, Loving. And go from there. God is One, and made ONE way, ONLY through Jesus.
24. Executor of the Will of God. The muscle. The frontman bodyguard. Getting intel from the earpiece and relaying communicating the information. (Holiness is obeying the Word. Spirit of Truth, life making it happen, carrying out the Word in a real way, the living Word) Do angels have freewill? They do, then is their faith complete? Choosing wrong for them would be akin to you being in your highest ecstasy, then saying nope, gonna commit suicide right now and suffer with Satan (when you’re in a good place, why 180 to super death, misery unimaginable eternal neverending suffering? Why forsake the Living God?) In His presence is fullness of joy.
25. Flying lips. If people worshiped flying lips because they spoke to them saying  I AM God. Who is the entity behind the visible flying lips? (Light shone in hearts to give light of knowledge of glory of God in the face of Jesus [may His face shine upon you and give you peace])
26. Message of grace. Why would God show us favor and kindness when we have done wickedly?  At one time you were alienated in your mind through your wicked works [1 pet 321 baptism that saves you, clean conscience]. We did it ignorantly and in unbelief.
27. Why send His son in the form of a Man to tell us what to do? Clearly we weren’t listening to Him directly or the law or the prophets
28. The devil tried to separate us from God, so God is jealous over our soul, our wellbeing and our hearts and love and life.
29. Demons power is fear and lies (faith in them) God’s power is Truth our faith and trust in Him.
30. The world is like a freewill simulator to see who is worthy. Would you let just whoever into your house? Or hiring for your company? Would you put them through a test and only the ones you want? Remember Genesis 3:4 you are to rule over the desire. Be mighty in faith and the Word and put the devil in Check, on notice. Proclaim the victory in Jesus!