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Eternal Life after death or Eternal death after life?

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Some people think the choice is eternal life in Heaven or Hell, but that is not scriptural.

The reality is this. Yes we can have eternal life in the Kingdom of God, this is in fact the promise of God. But the wicked will not have eternal life in Hell. It is written that they lose their soul and are destroyed. They suffer eternal destruction and are said to perish. They will be no more and this judgement is eternal. They will never have life again as that is only for the righteous.

Scripture also says that Hell is cast into the Lake of Fire and this judgement fire destroys not only the wicked, but is the same fire that renews the Earth. This terrible fire is how God will make a new Heaven and a new Earth. When this happens, there will be NO sin, suffering, crying, or pain in existence. ALL things will be new and perfect because God is merciful and his plan is good. God has promised this. Read more →

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  • February 21, 2015 at 6:05 pm#789328
    DavidL
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    So many testimonies for those who will listen…”eternity is something without end.” – Allan Rich

     

    February 21, 2015 at 6:26 pm#789329
    DavidL
    Participant

    “Hell is separation from God… a lot of people say, ‘Well my God He’s a loving God, and there is no hell, He wouldn’t put you in hell, and He wouldn’t do this and that.’ let me tell you something, that’s all nice and everything, but hell is real, and you know who put you there – YOU…He has a law for you to follow, and if you don’t follow it, you’re going to be in hell.”

     

    February 21, 2015 at 7:41 pm#789335
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hell exists. I don’t think anyone here is denying that.

    Revelation 20:14
    Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

    But Death and Hell is subjected to the Second Death, the Lake of Fire. That is the same fire that burns up the old heavens and earth.

    It is written somewhere that Death has been swallowed up in victory.

    February 21, 2015 at 9:57 pm#789343
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Hades, as shown in Lk 16, is a waiting place for those who have died, till the judgement.

    After the judgement there is no further need for it.

    But the lake of fire remains.

    February 22, 2015 at 12:56 am#789351
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Scripture says that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire. The same fire that destroys the ungodly is the fire that burns the heavens and earth.

    2 Peter 3:7
    By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

    And then this promise is given:

    But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

    So the wicked will perish and we see that this fire is so consuming that it also destroys the elements.

    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare

    But then after everything is destroyed in this way, God creates a new Heavens and Earth where righteousness and the righteous dwell.

    Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

    But then some argue that the human soul cannot be destroyed because he made man as an eternal creature. Thus his soul cannot be destroyed and this fire and will instead, perpetually burn and suffer the flame for all eternity. But scripture teaches differently to this idea of eternal suffering in Hell. Besides contradicting what we just read about the destruction of the ungodly in the above verses, it is clear from this verse that everything is destroyed and a new creation comes into being. However, even more condemning for the ‘eternal soul’ view is the following scripture. It clearly shows that God in his mercy spared man the fate of living forever because of his sin.

    And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

    Clearly God the merciful  stopped man from eating the tree of life after he sinned, thus sparing him from living forever. God is well able to destroy man’s soul too and he will certainly do this very thing to the wicked. This is all written. We either accept it or doubt it.

    Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

    & The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

     

    February 22, 2015 at 10:53 pm#789414
    kerwin
    Participant

    T8,

    Abaddon is the Angel of the Abyss according to the above. That brings up another name though, “Abyss“.

    The Abyss sounds like a synonym of wither Sheol or Abaddon.

    Abandon is mentioned in OT.   The angel of the NT name but Hades also bears the name of Hades the place he rules.

    February 22, 2015 at 11:18 pm#789419
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Thanks kerwin.

    February 23, 2015 at 12:54 am#789421
    terraricca
    Participant

    t8

    & The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    those words cannot be applied unless you remove the grace of God through Jesus ,but the sin against the spirit of truth cannot be forgiven ,and so when the curse of the dead of Adam has been removed then those words will apply without mercy for then it would justice

    February 23, 2015 at 10:26 am#789440
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

    A path for forgiveness existed under the covenant of Mt. Sinai.

     

    February 24, 2015 at 10:47 pm#789518
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yeah terraricca, the soul that sins will die, BUT the free gift of God is eternal life. This is God’s grace as you say.

    The first birth is destined for death. The second birth is from above and from the Spirit of God, it is life eternal.

    We must be born again.

     

    February 25, 2015 at 5:57 am#789527
    terraricca
    Participant

    t8

    yes ,once we have received the spirit of truth we cannot receive it twice ,and for that reason it would be a sin against the holy spirit of truth and no one can be saved twice this sin will result in permanent dead ,for Christ will not die another time for those that have rejected the grace of God son ,

    February 25, 2015 at 6:02 am#789528
    terraricca
    Participant

    K

    T,

    A path for forgiveness existed under the covenant of Mt. Sinai.

    not so ,the law condemn anyone that lives ;and showed the need for something more to be needed ,and that the promise to the patriarch was the sacrifice for the sins of man ,this path was understood by the prophets of old

    February 25, 2015 at 6:45 am#789530
    Grasshopper
    Participant

    Romans 8:1-2

    “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.”

    ~~~~~~~~~
    Grasshopper

    February 25, 2015 at 6:07 pm#789568
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

    Leviticus 4:20 speaks of such forgiveness.  God gives a greater gift under the covenant of Christ.

    February 26, 2015 at 7:24 am#789581
    carmel
    Participant

    God will destroy the wicked and that they will perish

    t8,

    Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever “– therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

    Where does it say in the above scripture that GOD WILL DESTROY SOULS!

    Now read scripture and reflect:

    Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and LIKENESS:….

    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

    Now

    The MAN who is mentioned in these two verses of scripture has nothing to do
    with the man who is mentioned in the scripture you posted!

    Due to the fact that God created HIS KIND OF MAN in his image, and the most important,

    And LIKENESS!

    THEREFORE SOULS ARE ETERNAL LIKE GOD!

    So to me it is sufficient enough to believe that souls are eternal, and also to ignore all other indications, and statements which definitely are not in a way related to a complete eradication of souls.

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles

    February 26, 2015 at 11:18 am#789587
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I think two things are happening here in this conversation, so I would like to add my 2 cents worth. (1 cent for each point, lol) )

    No man is saved by the Law because we all fall short of it. We have all broken God’s commandments at some point.

    However, this does not mean that all under the Law are condemned to destruction. No way. Was Moses perfect? No. Was he condemned to destruction? No. All those who were faithful under the Law and those who only had the law written in their hearts (conscience) can be saved because of the death of our messiah who died for all mankind and for all time.

    Romans 2:11-13
    11 For there is no partiality with God.
    12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
    13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.… 

    Notice that it doesn’t say that you have to be perfect under the law or sinless, rather that if you were or are under the Law, then you must be a doer of the Law. And we already know that Christ died for mankind, and we are made perfect by him. Our shortfall is covered by him so to speak. This is true for us today and for all mankind.

    If Christ did not die for us, then there would be no salvation because there is no one perfect. We have all sinned and fall short of God’s glory. Thus, our souls would die if it were not for the free gift of salvation.

    So those who were doers of the Law in times past are also saved by the grace of God.

    February 26, 2015 at 11:20 am#789589
    kerwin
    Participant

    carmal,

    Your words contain a red herring fallacy.

    February 26, 2015 at 1:22 pm#789599
    terraricca
    Participant

    k

    Leviticus 4:20 speaks of such forgiveness. God gives a greater gift under the covenant of Christ.

    Lev 4:20 and do with this bull just as he did with the bull for the sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for them, and they will be forgiven.
    Lev 4:21 Then he shall take the bull outside the camp and burn it as he burned the first bull. This is the sin offering for the community.

    No ,this is only another sacrifice that shows the need for some bigger to come for each time they would sin they have to make a sacrifice ,this says it all ,while after Christ no more sacrifice to be given only the cleaning of our selves in side of our soul

    February 26, 2015 at 5:29 pm#789608
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yes the blood of bulls provided atonement until the greater sacrifice was made.

    Hebrews 10:
    3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
    4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
    5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, “SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;

    February 26, 2015 at 6:55 pm#789615
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

    My claim is that there is forgiveness under the Law of Moses and essential point of the evidence I presented is “and they will be forgiven”.  In other words if they make the sacrifices as the Law commands they will be forgiven their sins.  That is what I claimed.

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