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It’s about free will which allows love to be real.

But there is a risk with free will that you choose outside of God’s perfect plan.

If you love God, then you will live obey him because He has the perfect plan.

But if you do not love God, then you might do and say all the right things in a heavenly setting, but you heart may not be in it. So the tempter comes one last time to harvest the seed that he sowed, the tares.

After that, there is only perfection because the field only contains wheat.

And if you do not love God then why would you want to live with him for all eternity anyway?

So only those that love God will want to live with him for eternity and this is what will happen.

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In Revelation 7:4–9, the throne is located in heaven. This passage is part of the broader heavenly vision in the book of Revelation. Here is a breakdown of the context:

Revelation 7:4-8 describes the sealing of the 144,000, representing a special group of God’s servants. This section does not explicitly mention the throne.
Revelation 7:9 begins with a description of “a great multitude that no one could count,” standing before the throne and the Lamb. The mention of the throne locates the scene clearly in the heavenly realm, as the Lamb (Jesus) is associated with God’s heavenly throne throughout Revelation.
The broader context of Revelation 4–7 portrays the throne as being in heaven, surrounded by worshippers, angels, and redeemed believers. Therefore, the throne referenced in this passage is heavenly.

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Tell me Keith.

What denomination is the 1 true religion?

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Promote God through Jesus Christ and not denominations and their doctrines as the latter is a work of the flesh. Also, if possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Be wise.

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New York senator proposes secession to join Canada

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To the Church in Thyatira is not a denomination, but simply a description for the one Church / Body that is located in that physical location. This is purely geographical because Believers close to each other are in fellowship by reason of their close proximity to each other. The Church can be inside a house, city, country, etc. If I said the Church of New York, then I would be talking about the body of Christ located in New York. Simple.

“greet the church that is in Priscilla and Aquila’s house”.

Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the Church in her house.

Further, it was Jesus who built his Church and yet, there are more than 10,000 denominations built by men. The true Church (body) started about 2000 years ago.

“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it”.

Finally, the Church is the Body of Christ and there is one body.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, 
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 
21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 
22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

4 There is one body and one Spirit– just as you were called to one hope when you were called– 
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 

And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

I leave you with this truth:

Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.

Conclusion:

People who promote denominations are promoting the works of men.

 

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This is true. Yet many miss that Jesus said to keep the commandments. When the man said he had done that, Jesus said, if you wish to be perfect then sell all. This showed the depth of the man’s faith and was never suppose to be used to say that he did not have salvation.

As far as those who are saved, some will receive 100, 60, and 30 fold reward. But others will be saved with no reward, but just escape the judgment fire.

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No Keith.

There is the way, the truth, and the life.

The head of the body is Jesus Christ.

The body is simply those that belong to him – Jesus Christ.

NO DENOMINATION is actually the Body of Christ.

The Body of Christ is made up of living stones, those who are part of the Church who by extension of that have the Spirit within them.

NO DENOMINATION IS THE CHURCH.

Yes, some who belong to denominations can belong to the Body of Christ.

It is Jesus Christ who builds his Church.

Denominations are cults built by men.

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Read Revelation 7:4&9:

4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel…

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

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I think you miss the point here. Of course it is true that not all will have their sins forgiven, but scripture is clear about the atonement for all sin: past, present, and future. This is based on passages such as:

John 1:29: “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”

1 John 2:2: “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”

As you can see, there is not only enough grace to cover the sins of some, but the whole world.

Salvation by Grace Through Faith is the motto: While Jesus’ sacrifice is sufficient for all sin, individuals must accept this gift through faith to benefit from its effects, see Ephesians 2:8-9.

The unforgivable sin is also a factor, but that is a different subject for now.

 

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Yes once dead one cannot be rejudged for past sin in the resurrection. Death is the full payment( wages) of sin. Every mortal who has lived paid in full by their death the wages of sin. Some claim Jesus death covers all sin= false. Even the righteous have died and paid their own wages.

Hi Keith. Of course repentance is required. But it is true that Jesus died for all and his sacrifice is enough to cover all sin. This is why scripture states that salvation is a free gift of God and that God is not WILLING for anyone to perish.

But all gifts require acceptance in order to possess the gift. And if the gift has a requirement such as repentance, then that seems fair to me. The thing is, God never forces people to choose him or his gifts and blessings because he actually respects our free will. He did not create a race of robots, but of people made in his image who can choose to do his will and who have the potential to be sons.

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There is so much wrong in this statement; how is sacrificing someone/putting them to death, an act of “love”?!?!

God is a God of truth. No lie or contradiction.

The soul that sins will die.

Therefore, death is the price of sin and it is a required payment.

God is also merciful.

He sent his son into the world to pay the price for our sin.

The sacrificial lamb being the forerunner for the ultimate plan that the enemy had no idea about. For if they knew, they wouldn’t have crucified the Son of God.

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Jehovah alone is the true living God, Jesus is the true living Gods son.

Agreed. There is one God, the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.

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For a comparison

Here are the popular vote totals for Republican presidential candidates in U.S. elections from 2008 to 2024:

| Year | Candidate | Popular Votes Received |
|——|———————–|————————|
| 2008 | John McCain | 59,948,323 |
| 2012 | Mitt Romney | 60,933,504 |
| 2016 | Donald Trump | 62,984,828 |
| 2020 | Donald Trump | 74,216,728 |
| 2024 | Donald Trump | 74,679,762 (as of November 13, 2024) |

Note: The 2024 figure is provisional, as vote counting is ongoing.

Observe that there has been a consistent upward trend. This raises questions about the unusually high Democratic vote total in 2020.

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Where did those 20,000,000 people go?

Here are the popular vote totals for the Democratic presidential candidates in the U.S. elections from 2008 to 2024:

| Year | Candidate | Popular Votes Received |
|——|———————–|————————|
| 2008 | Barack Obama | 69,498,516 |
| 2012 | Barack Obama | 65,915,795 |
| 2016 | Hillary Clinton | 65,853,514 |
| 2020 | Joe Biden | 81,268,773 |
| 2024 | Kamala Harris | 67,000,000 (approx: as of November 13, 2024) |

These figures illustrate the Democratic Party’s performance in the popular vote over the past five presidential elections. Notably, Joe Biden’s 2020 total set a record for the most votes ever received by a presidential candidate.

In the 2020 U.S. presidential election, approximately 101.5 million voters cast ballots by mail or through early in-person voting. This surge in mail-in and early voting was largely influenced by the COVID-19 pandemic, as many states expanded access to absentee and mail-in voting to accommodate health and safety concerns. This could have allowed cheating on a mass scale.

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The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.

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What does Jonah have to do with these passages? I’m speaking of the writer of Matthew taking Hosea out of context and somehow applying it to the Jesus when the context is explicitly a reference to Israel.

Lol, you just proved my point. No point in explaining it. You are not ready.

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I finally realize the difference between christianity and what is written in the Tanakh concerning sin; christianity believes sin is a condition or an attribute/characteristic of humanity, consider themselves dirty rags, and thus need a “redeemer” to be forgiven; the Tanakh teaches sin is an action and you have a choice, obey G-d or not.

Sin is wrongdoing.

The LAW is the knowledge of wrongdoing.

But what about those WITHOUT the law.

The law is written is our HEARTS.

The Old Testament took us to the knowledge that we are sinners.

The New Testament is about grace, thus provides the solution to the problem.

@DesireTruth, what you are proposing is that God should have left humanity in sin with no way out.

God showed us that he is the Judge.

Now he shows us that he is the Father of grace.

To appreciate something truly, it needs to be hard earned.

Otherwise, your attitude is one of indifference. Easy come easy go.

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