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If we were still in the seventh day, the day on which God rested, then that would mean that God is really really tired of having made heaven and earth. !!!!!!?????

I think rest just means cease and to enjoy the fruits of his labour.

“For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”

But the point is really this, that the seventh day is not 24 hours, then why are the other days 24 hours? They are not obviously.

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You conveniently avoided the question. Here it is again?

Are we still in the seventh day or did that only last 24 hours?

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I wonder if Mikeboll believes that the devil used a torch and faked the 24 hour Sun?

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Is it still the seventh day or did that only last 24 hours?

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1 ……..the Babylonian Empire ………king Nebuchadnezzar

2……..the Medo-Persian Empire…….Kings Cyrus and Dyrus

3………the Grecian Empire……………..King Alexander the Great

4………the Roman Empire ………………different  Caesar’s and Emperor

5………the present world…………………Different nations all around the world

The Beast comes out of the Great Sea (Mediterranean).

After Rome, the next empire that surrounded that sea and also succeeded the Roman Empire was the Ottoman Empire which lasted for 623 years, from its foundation in 1299 to its dissolution in 1922.

It was they who beheaded the true witnesses and the tribulations were so bad that Christians almost became extinct in the areas they once inhabited. But an 8th will arise and is of the seventh/seven. To this day, the Koran calls on their believers to do the following things (which we also read about in scripture):

Quran 47:4
“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.”

Quran 8:12
“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

“Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.”

Further, the feet of the statue were mixed. Consisting of Iron and Clay. Mixed in Aramaic is related to the word Arab as they are a mixed people.

The ten toes may be the 10 nations that were created by the fall of the Western leg of the Roman Empire. It was the Eastern leg which continued for another 1000 years that eventually succumbed to the Ottomans.

Now back to this verse:

“The beast that was and is not, is itself an eighth but belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.”

This verse is ambiguous and allows for both collective (“seven”) and specific (“seventh”) interpretations.

If seventh, then ISIS was a failed attempt and currently, there is no Beast as it IS NOT.

But it will rise again for a short period.

If the Ottoman was the seventh, then an Islamic Empire may arise for a short time in the Middle East and Europe just before the end. No surprises here as many Muslims illegally immigrated to Europe over the years and traditionally have larger families than Europeans. Could an Islamic Empire unite the Middle East and even make inroads to Europe? Regardless, this 8th empire / king will reign for a short period and then be severely judged by God.

The Antichrist is that who is seated in the temple of God that shouldn’t be there and what is there today?

An Islamic shrine which is often called a mosque. Written on the wall is this statement:
“God has no Son.”

This is a confession of the antichrist.

This makes way more sense than the western nations or the pope being the current beast.

The western nations are a Judeo-Christian civilisation.

And the Pope is more akin to Mystery Babylon that rides atop the Beast.

False religion has accompanied the Beast in all its forms.

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Neither did Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece.

Yet they are part of the Beast and the statue in the Book of Daniel.

There are by the way, many antichrists.

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When the beast” IS “, il means the woman and beast ARE ONE.

Jesus said that we can be one with him, yet that doesn’t make us one or the same person, rather one body of believers instead. The Beast is political and Babylon is religious, so yes a body.

The political empires around the Mediterranean Sea have of course been political, but they all were accompanied by false religion and a pantheon of gods. Whether you consider Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece: Rome, Ottoman, their gods or God is rooted in Babylon and of course Babylon also has its roots in earlier times.

The gods of Babylon were for the most part the same gods of Persia, Greece, Rome, and even the Islamic empire. The mother and child of Greece bears resemblance to Mary and Child of Catholicism for example.

Since the Roman Empire and the rise of Catholicism another beast arose, that being the Ottomans. It was they who beheaded believers and made them nearly extinct in that region of the world.

The wine that makes them drunk is their false doctrines.

And while the Ottoman Empire believed in one God, their God has no son as stated in their own writings. Thus the following scripture describes that god.

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

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Berean

Your posts are too long and consequently, the points you make are lost in that.

Are you making the case that the Pope is the Beast?
If so, what is your no1 verse to support your hypothesis?

Just remember, that most people will not read long post, especially if they are just denominational propaganda.

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Agreed. People misquote the Bible and they also ignore all the verses that show that the wicked will perish and be no more. Even the most quoted bible verse says it. John 3:16. The Catholic doctrine of eternal suffering suggests that the wicked will have life, albeit in fire. The Bible says no such thing. In fact it says, that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire. It is the place where things are destroyed including the wicked and the old earth and heavens.

Is Hell eternal?

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@keith

Why do you think you are blacklisted?

There is no blacklisting feature that members can use.

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EXCEPT what does Matt 13:39 say…“The harvest is the end of the age.” The “end of the age” isn’t a millennia long period; it punctual, like a thief in the night. Meaning it happens in one moment. When is this “end of the age”?

A good question and one I haven’t really thought about.

When reading the whole Bible, you get the sense that after the darkness is a time when things are not perfect, but near perfect at least compared to the darkness and tribulations. And at the time of the new earth, all darkness and sin is forever gone.

Why is there this intermediate period called the Millenium instead of just the new earth. Here are some suggestions that come to mind:

1. Satan is released briefly to deceive the nations once more. This could suggests that, despite the earlier separation of the wheat and tares, individuals born during the Millennium still retain the capacity to rebel.
2. During the Millennium, transformed believers reign with Christ (Revelation 20:4–6), but it seems that earth may also be populated by natural humans who survived the tribulation and their descendants. These descendants may remain susceptible to sin, as evidenced by their willingness to follow Satan’s deception at the end of the Millennium.
3. The ultimate separation of the wheat and tares occurs at the Great White Throne judgment (Revelation 20:11–15), where all remaining humans are judged according to their deeds. This shows that separation is a process and not one immediate moment, but unfolds progressively, with the final resolution only achieved after Satan’s rebellion is completely defeated.

Further, perhaps the Millenium is a reflection of the creation days where God rested on the 7th day, thus this final chapter of this world has a special blessing, but it is still part of this age? If the Millenium is a different age in itself, then 1000 years is not that long for an age, but that itself could be symbolic.

Just speculation on my behalf, but we are given dots and while we can logically connect them, this is still just a guess as we really do not know the exact details till after they have happened. After all, not even Jesus Christ knew the day and hour.

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But the woman is not the Beast.

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@desiretruth

I don’t see the problem you are talking about.

The tares and the wheat and the dividing of them is a process.

It logically ends with the new earth as there is no longer any death.

This process takes thousands of years by the look of it.

A day to God is like a thousand years.

I think you are looking for things that I never said or implied.

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Yes, only you are responsible for your relationship with God. No denomination, leader of a denomination, or doctrinal beliefs  will save you.

Too many belong to denominations / cults and think they are saved and/or right because they are part of the supposedly only true flock. This blindness is a human condition of the flesh as every man is right in his own eyes. You will see this in science, politics, and many other fields of human endeavour.

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Nothing you have ever said about the Vatican has ever convinced me that it is the Beast.

The Beasts are the Empires around the Mediterranean Sea.

The Woman that rides the Beast on the other hand are the false religions of Babylon that have evolved into the false religions of the present era. The Vatican and Pope qualify here IMO.

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I think the point you are trying to make is this, so I will answer according to that.

You’re arguing that if Jesus’ return truly eradicates all sin and lawlessness, the notion of a later rebellion (e.g., post-millennial reign) contradicts this promise. You suggest that such an idea implies Jesus’ kingdom is imperfect or that his followers could fall into sin again.

So my answer is as follows:

There is a process. When promises are made, they are often not fulfilled the next day in one swoop. It can take thousands of years as a thousand years is like a day to God. Just because something is partway through the process, doesn’t discard it from not ever being fulfilled. This is really easy to understand.

Fulfilment of the overcoming of sin and death is certainly evident in the new earth where there is no death.

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

It’s hard to no for sure, but the Bible seems to imply that there will be death during the Millenial Reign.

 “No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.”

So the promise is not fulfilled because of what you say. Your timing is out.

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Hi Keith.

I suspect you adhere to a denomination that you believe is the true church. But there are thousands of denominations that claim to be the true way. Which one of those thousands are you promoting?

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Explain why G-d would “test” the faith of the people after spending a 1000 years in G-d’s presence; why would HE need to “test” the people again to see if they “truly” love HIM. Do these people sudden not know who G-d is and could be swayed from HIM? This makes no sense! Why do you believe G-d hates HIS creation?

There are tares and wheat. The tares are the children of the evil one and the wheat are the children of God. During the Millenial Reign, the evil one is restrained, so I guess that demonic temptation is not forthcoming, only one’s own flesh.

At the end, the evil one is released to harvest the tares that may not be obvious during the restraint of the evil one. This final purge leads to the children of God shining in the kingdom of light for all eternity where there is no darkness, wickedness, sin, and death.

Sin and death is overcome at this point onward. The rebellion against God will end at this point and the testimony of rebelling against God is recorded and probably not repeated as the lessons have been learned.

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