Another super weak argument from Trinitarians that they use to support their Trinity doctrine is their lack of understanding of how 'theos' is used in Greek to describe not just the Almighty, but others.They also display a double standard. They say that Jesus is God himself because of the word el or theos appears to be applied to him. Let's…[Read more]

To add to the above.Imagine the Amazon River and then the biggest tributary and then a stream that flows into the tributary. Well from the smaller tributary's perspective, the larger tributary is the source. But the ultimate source is the Amazon, but that doesn't negate that the bigger tributary is the source of the smaller one.Jesus said, “I am…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 16 2011,08:40)Hi allT8 has recently brought up one of those “Jesus isn’t God fallacies” which goes like this…Jesus can’t be God because he is not the “source” but the “agent” of God.However the scriptures clearly debunk this fallacious argument.It is very telling of how they view Jesus. To them Jesus is like eve…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2011,11:12)No, t8:Jesus is the basis for the “whole of creation”.  And so, the Logos of God pertains to him, but he is not the Logos.If he wasn't the Logos that was WITH God, then who was it?I cannot in good conscience write off two or more scriptures written in the same fashion as to being the one whom God created all…[Read more]

I should add if you have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of the usage of theos in scripture, the error will only be replicated when you read the word theos elsewhere, even in a commentary. Likewise if you think the word devil is always Satan, then you will similarly fail to understand any document that talks about the truth on Satan and…[Read more]

Cheers Mike.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2011,16:20)I have understood this t8.  I understand that the Son is not the same being as the Father.  He is the Son of the Father.But you do not understand it Kathi because of your conclusion that Jesus is Almighty God too, all the while scripture tells us that there is God and there is Jesus.e.g., Romans 10:9because i…[Read more]

Gene, I haven't changed any rules when reading each verse. That is the difference. You need to in order to derive your understanding.

And the Logos was WITH God…Also, you conveniently ignore the definite article.The God and The Logos is the way it is written.Not The God and logos.You might need a small course on Greek grammar and the definite article.

Yes i can transfer it there. I will make the changes later today as there doesn't seem to be any opposition to it.

Quote (942767 @ June 15 2011,12:25)And so, the Logos pertains to Jesus, but he is not the Logos.OK.So you are saying that God literally made all through the Logos BUT symbolically through Jesus. Yet both scriptures pretty much say the same thing. How is it that you can add this condition externally to one and not the other? If I had that luxury I…[Read more]

So God literally made all things through the Logos and symbolically through Jesus? Or symbolically through both, according to you?It says “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.” And this is pertaining to the Logos, that was with God. I don't…[Read more]

Is this spirit body and spiritual body thing still going on.I am perplexed. What is the fascination?Earth or earth. One is our planet, the other is dirt.An easy mistake to make, but we should be intelligent enough to work out what the person is saying.Jesus knew men's hearts. We should be like him.

Nice one david.I will place that video here for convenience.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 15 2011,02:18)Jesus said he and the Father are one. But you teach they are not “One”.Wrong. I teach that they are one just as all of us can be one.It is the same oneness. Your oneness it seems has multiple meanings when it suits you.John 17:21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 15 2011,02:18)My Savour includes the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, how about yours?Please no deceptive language WJ.Correct usage of words for your sentence is “My Saviors” since you reference 3 persons.I trust that you will say 'saviors' from now on when talking about multiple persons.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 15 2011,02:18)Your point is invalid because once again you cannot have “GOD” without having the three!Yes I cannot have God without the mediator that is true. But not everyone that God uses is God too WJ. How is it that you cannot fathom this?Jesus brings me into union with God so that I can receive the Holy Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 06 2011,06:14)t8,I didn't ask you to read a 'book,' just some documents which are 1-3 pages long, heck, just read the three that I have put up so far.  I would hardly call that a 'book.'  Also, I would hardly describe me as bouncing around from one thing to another.  Geesh!  I have been expressing that Jesus was the lit…[Read more]

We know that God created all through the Logos. But it also says that God created all through Jesus Christ. In addition, it says that The Logos became flesh was Jesus.So The Logos becoming flesh is JesusAnd through the Logos God creates allAnd through Jesus God creates all.So what is the difference?John 1-41 In the beginning was the Word, and the…[Read more]

John 1:1 (English-NIV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. a) In the beginning was the Word, (en arch hn o logoV) b) and the Word was with God, (kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon) c) and the Word was God. (kai qeoV hn o logoV). Analysis and comparison table for…[Read more]