There are many examples of multiple beings sharing the same nature or being one in unity.Angels, mankind, dogs, etc. I like this one though as it is not unique to kind.John 17:21 (English-NIV) that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent…[Read more]

That is good news.

Irene. Does that mean he was the first created or the one whom creation came through?

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2011,02:47)allGe 6:1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,what do you think this means ?  now how can they chose?;Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they choseGe 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not co…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 29 2011,20:57)t8 True, the Bible doesn't say how the Angels were created… Neither does it show us how Jesus was created, when there was nothing in the beginning…  But since God is Spirit and only Spirit can be with God, I still believe they were Spirit Beings.  Of course I could be wrong in all of this…Both Jesus and t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2011,11:52)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 29 2011,01:50)The consensus is to believe that they were created spiritual beings from their beginning. But what piece of information or what scripture provides the proof of this?This is from the Book of Enoch, which was thought to be “scripture” by Jesus' disciples.  It is part of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2011,04:05)Did you realize that Jesus was called Christ the Lord by the angels at the announcement by the angels to the shepherds when He was born?“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”He didn't make him YHWH did he? We can both agree on that…[Read more]

If you indeed posted them in their entirety then whether I agree with them or not, I cannot see anything wrong with them as far as existing in this topic.

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 28 2011,03:05)t8 I don;t think that the Angels ever were like the Human beings, except those that came down to earth and married woman, and created Giants…They already were created before God created man…. And to be with God they had to be Spirit Beings… IMOHi Irene. Thanks for your post. You used the word 'except' and…[Read more]

If the posts had personal attacks in them (regardless of the rest of the content) then they can be deleted.In such a case, it is best to post without attacking others if the post is worth staying.

This is an interesting discussion.Thanks for setting that one up Mike.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 24 2011,06:44)ED J said:Quote Many places in “the Bible” the Scripture writers are talking about God being in Jesus.Why does WJ and Jack continually overlook this all important “Biblical doctrine”?You speak a half truth and a half truth is a lie. It says also that Jesus is IN the Father.KJIt is you who speak a half…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 22 2011,01:46)TO All,I marvel that t8 has involved himself in two debates with WJ. t8 has said numerous times here that Jesus is God qualitatively. This means that Jesus is God! t8 will need to give up his “qualitative” explanation if he is going to be consistent and have a chance against WJ.If he doesn't then he…[Read more]

He is unable to grasp then that Christ is before creation and after the Father.He cannot fathom what the word Father means. And he has no concept that the Father is the source of all, even Christ his son.God > Christ > creation is the order.His disorder is (God/Christ/Spirit) Trinity > creation.We believe that there is one God the Father who is in…[Read more]

Kathi,How do you refute the following?”The head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God.”When identifying these, the woman is not the man and Christ is not God. That is why they are all mentioned.In nature, yes the woman and man are mankind, and Christ and God are divine.And Christ partook of human nature and we can partake of divine…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2011,12:13)I would say that the LORD was appearing as the SonAppearing as the son?This opens the way for him to appear as a donkey too.Kathi. God speaks through these vessels.It was never meant to be taken that he is these vessels.

Hey KJ.How do you refute the following:”The head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God.”When identifying these, the woman is not the man and Christ is not God.But your argument is to make the woman man so you can make Christ God. How do you intend to get away that this obvious blunder of yours?

KJ complained recently that I took 7 months and at the same time has no intention of continuing a debate that we had.At least he has finally agreed to bow out officially after nearly 7 months. I see the funny side to this irony. Anyhow, he was stumped in that debate and didn't have the decency to admit it.

KJ complained recently that I took 7 months and at the same time has no intention of continuing a debate that we had.At least he has finally agreed to bow out officially after nearly 7 months. I see the funny side to this irony. Anyhow, he was stumped in that debate and didn't have the decency to admit it.

How did Keith go with tying beginning into the concept of eternity.Did he give a good explanation, a bad explanation, or avoid the question altogether?