This video is a little bit tacky, but the message is loud and clear. It is based on Walid Shoebat’s view of the Mark of the Beast.

You have validated my point.

your two questions are not clear and so present multi answers,

Does this not prove to you that ‘begotten’ and ‘created’ do not entirely mean the same thing?

So if it is not clear that you can just think of ‘begotten’ as ‘created’ then you agree with my point. They are different words with different meanings. Like…[Read more]

Good one Nadel. Do not lose heart. Although it might seem like you are on your own, remember that many people of God felt the same way in the time and place they lived. Be encouraged because you are coming to a realization that not many ever contemplate.

@terraricca @mikeboll64

Here are two questions I would like you guys to answer. Make it simple with a yes and a no. Should take less than 30 seconds to answer.

1) Is Jesus the only begotten?

2) Is Jesus the only created?

Are your answers different. If so, my point is valid. I await your two answers.

@mikeboll64

Eve is called in scripture “the mother of all living”, right? (Gen 3:20) So let’s try it this way:

All human beings came into existence through Eve. Without her, not one human being came into existence.

Is it a true statement, based on the SCRIPTURE Gen 3:20? Absolutely.

But does it mean that Eve herself DIDN’T come into existen…

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Hi Mike.

Did we engage in a setup debate regarding Jesus being begotten vs created? If so, do you know where it is?

1) I don’t hate the bible, but I don’t like it’s petrification, false sacredness and the false claim that God wrote it as well as the human accusations against God made in parts of it.

You don’t hate the bible BUT…

Enough said.

terraricca

when it says all humans have been created through Adam this is true but this is from ADAM and beyond ,so not including Adam

But if it said that the definition of a man was that who was created through Adam and that all who were not created through Adam are not man, then by that definition, Adam would not be a man.

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I surrendered my life to God 29+ years ago. I seek his word (which is living) and do his will which is found by seeking in prayer and in spirit. The problem with bible worshipers is that they have a relationship with a book as a substitute for trusting God.

If anything, you have a relationship with a book Colter. Most of us here are not promoting…[Read more]

The main reason people do not believe in God is because they don’t want to . God is not part of their fantasy, so they accept a fable that the prefer.

Same goes for God’s revelation and word to man. He spoke through the Prophets and then through the son. This does not fit with many fantasies, delusions, and myths of men, so they just choose to…[Read more]

Also, you absolutely do not believe the following:

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 

You basically say that Jesus is excluded by reason of common sense. The problem is that it doesn’t mention the exclusion you speak of, and worse, it then makes an even bigger statement making your view all the…[Read more]

@mikeboll64

I read your last post. This is my reply to that.

1. The word ‘create’ in scripture is used of ‘man’. Where is that same word used of the ‘Word’ or ‘Jesus’ before coming in the flesh?
2. Yes we are begotten of God, this is the hope that we have. But that doesn’t negate that we were created or made by God through his Word etc. It just…

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@GeneBalthrop

T8…….Jesus is said to be the SECOND Adam , Seeing some say, He Created Adam. Did he create himself, as another ADAM also?, If ALL things were created BY him and For him , then that would also have to include the second Adam also, after all, ALL means ALL, right? I am not saying you believe that , because I don’t think you do, b…

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@GeneBalthrop

T8…… If you say while we may reach the fullness of Christ and the say CHRIST reached the fullness of God , you are incorrect, there is no scripture that I recall that say’s christ Jesus reached the fullness of God. While God did dwell IN HIM, that in no way is saying the he (Jesus) ever reached to the FULLNESS of GOD. In fact Jesus…

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@EdJ

Are you suggesting that the term “only begotten” refers to a special preexistent state.
There is no evidence to suggest that is what the term means at all; unless you have some,
do you? Why can’t it instead simply mean that Jesus had no human biological father?

In Hebrews Isaac is referred to as Abraham’s only begotten son. (ref. Heb 11:…

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@terraricca

Yes “the word” is the only one created directly by God ;and for this Christ his the ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ;IF HE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE CREATED BY GOD ;<HE WOULD NOT BE THE ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD >for God created many other sons

this is what Paul means;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all…

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ISIS crucifixions

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719991/Horrific-new-photographs-ISIS-atrocities-prompted-Obama-act.html