Where to fellowship if you don’t believe in the Trinity

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    Q: What Church should I fellowship at if I do not believe in the Trinity Doctrine?

    A: If you understand that the Trinity Doctrine is false, it then seems unfortunate that most denomination’s are based on the Trinity Doctrine leaving you with the question: “Where can I fellowship”. And if you feel limited in where to fellowship because of this dilemma, then you are actually fortunate because you are going to understand another important truth. That is, Jesus never intended to have his Church built in this manner, with multiple denominations and their divisions we see today. So in what manner is the Church meant to be and how are we going to be one? Is it easier for all to become Roman Catholics and thus one Church? Well scripture is clear on this subject and how the Church is meant to be.

    First understand that the Church is the Body of Christ. So rather than looking for a denomination somewhere that teaches that there is one God the Father and one Lord the Lord Jesus Christ, you just need to remain as you are because if you are part of the Body of Christ, then you are already part of the Church.

    1 Corinthians 12:12
    12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

    Romans 12:3-5
    4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

    Ephesians 1:22-23
    22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

    Ephesians 2:19-22
    19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

    Colossians 3:14-16
    14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace.

    So what about these Churches in scripture? There is more than one Church mentioned such as the Church in Pergamom, or the Church in Aquila and Prisca’s house. If you look closely, what these churches are is the Body of Christ within a certain location, be that a city, house, or whatever. They are not denominations with their own creeds and own separate leadership as we see today.

    So for you, this means that you can fellowship with other believers anywhere at anytime. This is the way it is meant to be because those that are led by the Spirit are not predictable (meet every Sunday/pray every Wed) but are like the wind, that you can never fully predict. So it is really up to you to connect with Believers and what do I mean by Believers? Well they are those you were probably fellowshipping with before and others.

    But there is one difference now. Some of your fellows will reject your faith for denying the Trinity Doctrine and of those you only need to pray for them. Others may become convinced of the truth that you have sought out, such are those who you can fellowship with because they are willing to hear the truth and to go from glory to glory and toward being a Church without spot and blemish. If everyone you know rejects you, then make disciples and fellowship with them. You will be in the same position as the early disciples who had to convert unbelievers into believers first.

    This all might sound a bit scary, but know this, it is an exciting journey, but not without its persecutions. Some of this persecution will come from those you know or within institutions that you know, but this is what Christ endured when he was tested by the Pharisees. You also need to aware that the enemy becomes angry with those who do not willingly become part of his system, which by the way is what the world is. He will try and recruit you back into Babylon so to speak, but we know that God’s people need to come out of her. God judged the original Babylon, not because of its trade and wealth, but because of her gods and idols. The Trinity goes back to those days as does the Queen of Heaven and many so-called Christian holidays are based on the Babylonian religion too.

    Jesus is coming back for a bride without spot and blemish. Congratulations if you are taking this one step closer to that. If people ask you what Church you go to, you could answer them, “are you a follower of Paul, Apollos, or Christ”, because that is the same question that they are asking you. See 1 Corinthians 1:12:

    12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”;another, “I follow Cephas[a]”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
    13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul?

    Further, if you understand that the Church is the Body, then you should also understand that setting up a new denomination to cater for truth that is not being taught in other denominations is just perpetuating this faulty system of division that ends enslaving believers. Rather it is better to be one body who embraces the truth that Jesus imparts to us from his God and our God. Realise that you do not go to Church, but that you are part of the Church no matter where you are.

    Blessing in God and Jesus Christ.

    To read more on this subject, try this page:
    Which Church is the right Church?

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     Katherine
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    This was really helpful. I’ve been disheartened by the vast number of Christian churches throughout our society. It seems we build walls, give ourselves a name different from our neighbors and we instantly separate ourselves from one another, perhaps without intending to. I’ve often wondered what if we all came together for what we do believe in? What a power that would be! So in my search for a church home, I have found myself asking whether I was looking for a church that agreed with me or was I looking for the Truth but I’ve realized that this spiritual journey I thought I was on to find a church, I now realize was about finding the Truth already inside me – My relationship with Christ that’s expressed through my sincerity and devotion to Him and my service to others, among other things but not through which church I attend. I don’t know if I made much sense here but I know the shift that’s taken place in my thought and it makes sense to me! Thank you for this article. It has removed some self imposed obstacles preventing me from committing to a church.

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    Wow, thanks for the good feedback. Glad this has been a blessing to you. 🙂

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    In 2 kings 19 it tells us of a story. The story is of Elijah and how he was running for his life until he finally lost hope and was wanting to die. The prophets were being killed, Israel was bowing down to false gods and Elijah felt hopelessly alone. He thought that he was alone in his devotion to God… but he was wrong. God encouraged him and told him that indeed he was not alone and that there were 7000 who did not bow down to the false gods. I like to go back to that story every once and again to remember that we, too, are not alone. Though it seems like we are alone, the church runs deep and there are many scattered around the globe in many denominations who feel out of place who also see the truth. This is how God wished it to be… a church run on faith.

    May God bless you in our Lord Jesus Christ

    #777334
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    You make a very good point here.

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    My reason for not attending is I have difficulty getting excited about Christmas/Trinity/the essential Sunday worship in the main, I am searching for the truth which is only in the Bible not in man,s traditions etc.
    Your articles are of great interest

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    In reply to my previous comment and having just read your article on which church is the true church I can only come to the conclusion that I am part of the true church and that Jesus will draw me to others or the other way round as He sees fit.
    At present it is hard but as Anastas wrote the Church is in us.
    It still makes it hard without physical fellowship.

    #777337
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    Yes we do need fellowship. And it is good to dwell or fellowship with like-minded brothers and sisters.

    But yes we live in hard times in this respect. Most Christians are under the traditions of men in one respect or another.


    If people believe that Jesus is the son of God and that the Father is Almighty God, then they believe the truth. If they also happen to believe in the Trinity, then that is the tradition that they are under. But I find that most do not understand it and because it makes no sense, they rarely teach it or make it a requirement for others. Personally I would be wary of those that are fixated on the Trinity as being the foundation of our faith. It is not and they may well be false teachers.

    I know I believed in the Trinity once and I also know at that time, that God was with me and I was saved. That said, proof of us hearing from God is that as we grow we will come to the knowledge of truth and be able to see the traditions of man.

    What I am saying is that you can still fellowship with those who are under traditions of men. They just need to grow and have the wisdom to be able to know the difference between truth and tradition.

    Finally, it is by our fruit that we know who belongs to God. So remember that too.

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    Most who believe in the Trinity would also probably believe in the truth regarding God being the Father, and Jesus being the son.

    Given that, you may be able to help them reconcile this difference or contradiction in their belief.

    Whoever resists questioning the Trinity and say it is beyond question because it is beyond our understanding, I would keep away from. They are not ready to be awakened so to speak. But you might be surprised at who will hear you. Most Believers when they first heard the Trinity probably thought it was odd, thus you can appeal to this in them and they might listen. If they write you off, then that is not your problem.

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     Anastas 
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    I do not believe it is wise to think you are ever saved until the judgment of Christ is given. The fact is, if you asked any mormon, universal unitarian, or any other extremely backwards liberal christian group you will hear them testify of their salvation, as well… their guarantee of life in Christ. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. Christ even told us when he said, “Not everyone who saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven”. Matt 7:21 Indeed, you continue in faith and hope of your salvation but to “know” is a very strong position that can lead to arrogance and stagnation. Even our brother Paul held the position of not yet obtaining salvation but striving towards it. (Phil 3:12-14)

    This ties into trinity doctrine and church groups who profess the trinity. I cannot say if or if not a professed trinitarian can or cannot find salvation, Only God knows, but I can make an observation even from your own words. In the Trinity conclusion you said that the trinity is a man made idol created in the mind. I would agree, even stating that these men have twisted God’s word in strange ways to create this idol… an idol made from twisted scripture. Then you must think of the scripture that says idolaters shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 cor 6:9-10) If the trinity is an idol then this point shows the power of the deception:

    1) Anyone who professes the trinity won’t enter heaven. (Again, just a thought)
    2) Those who are deceived fully believe that their entrance to heaven is guaranteed blinding them from finding the truth.

    We know few shall enter into the narrow gates (Matt 7:13-14) and also that 90% of christians profess Christ in the trinity… Thats roughly 1.75 billion people. Perhaps, this three headed “beast” is much more dangerous then we think. And perhaps even professing your faith in this ideology separates you from God. This might demonstrate the importance of spreading the truth.

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    I agree that you can never really know given that many people say they know, but are so different that they obviously believe different things.

    I know when I believed in the Trinity, I never understood it and rarely talked about it. But I certainly believed that Jesus Christ was the son of God and the messiah. On top of that, God moved in my life in a powerful way and answered prayer and even spoke to me once which resulted in either saving my life or from harm.

    So I know that my faith was real and that God was with me, even while I believed in the Trinity. Of course God was the one that showed me that this teaching was false. But I needed to be more mature and have more understanding of doctrine before I could articulate it.

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    Yes.
    Now, if it is that you follow the Spirit and, conversely, are lead by the Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, i. e., then you are one of very few. Then, also, and surely, we are one in Christ. Paul

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     paul
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    OK, except that (see the last but one paragraph):
    Light and darkness cannot coexist, neither can Truth and Untruth. More even so for the ones having the Spirit and those not having. You will not be able to stay with them and they will not be able to tolerate you as the Truth is like a sword causing dissent, division, split .. even animosity. You will be rejected, even attacked .. if, unwisely, you persist to be one with them, share their piknicks, no less trying to convert them to ‘your truth’. They will think that it is the Devil trying to disrupt them, confuse them, lead them astray. Why, they all agree that they ‘have the truth’, that they are ‘the redeemed community’, that … So it must be you who is wrong.
    “Because it is necessary that there be a contention (dissent)so that those are made manifest that are approved” as is written (Paul). Otherwise, either all are of God, or none. However, the former is not possible.

    T8, may God bless your effort and lead you into all Truth and on, after all you have been through …even though, at times, as a man you may not like it.

    Paul

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    Andrew,

    pray, persist, and endure obeying and trusting God, who is moving powerfully over all the flesh these days, even these last days, offering untold assistance to all seeking Him wholeheartedly, showing His concern and His kind and loving care to usher in His (Son’s) Kingdom … before He must yield to His righteous anger …

    Paul

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    Not quite 7000 here and now….

    When we started, 14 years ago, or even 10 years, there were hardly 7 or maybe 7 times 7 among us, gentiles on this soil, so far-away in time and distance (and spirit). Our 2004 website did not generate ONE single response over nearly 3 years. Rather, we were viciously attacked, lost everything, had to flee to wilderness to save our bare lives, … our web was closed down. It took us 7 years to recover and return. But at the long last, after a good amount of thorough, ground-breaking, severe developments and preparations, with the Hour drawing close, the things and the numbers seem to be changing … Paul

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    Plus they are not correct on a number of other issues. Similarly the remaining 10 percent. Wow to us, gentile pagans.

    Why, out of a million and a half of adults in His Nation and after the centuries-long Egyptian ordeal, and Exodus, and their day-to-day upbringing and care in His hands in the desert, only THREE men out of the descendants of Abraham were found worthy to be shown into the Promised Land, even Moses was denied the privilege, … Wow to us and our self-indulging self-assurance…

    Paul

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    Thanks Paul. 🙂

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    I get what you are saying but when you are not excepted how do you get baptized. In every denomination I have been to in order to get baptized you must say that you believe in the trinity.

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    Just a note, Mormons don’t believe that they’re automatically saved in Christ or have any kind of guaranteed salvation. I agree that you cannot know you have received salvation, but like Paul, can only continually strive towards it. Nor does that mean that we should proclaim that others will not enter heaven for their beliefs as this results in the exact same final judgement that we do have the power to give. I also agree that you have pointed out why it’s so important to spread the truth. Why do you think some faiths, like Mormons, who don’t believe in the Trinity, are so ready to share their faith with others?

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    I think that those who are saved can have an assurance of that salvation. But it is equally true that those who are not, can believe they are saved. This is evident as you say from all these diverse groups with diverse gospels and doctrines that believe they are saved.

    I think the difference between the two is that one knows in their spirit with signs and wonders from God that demonstrate their standing with God, while others have a head knowledge and intellectual belief that they must be saved because they perhaps only they have the truth. The latter perhaps explains those who call Jesus Lord, yet he says to them that he never knew them and further proof that he didn’t know them is because he calls them workers of iniquity. In other words their works are not of God, but of themselves. Many denominations do works that are really more about promoting themselves and their Church than promoting the Kingdom of God. We are instructed to do all things in the name of Jesus Christ and that even a glass of water given in his name shall not lose its reward. But they do works in their own name. Like Babel, they build towers (churches) in their own name with their steeples rising up to the heavens and the glory in their own name. This is why we see so many divisions. God has divided them in the same way that he divided those at Babel. And he does this so that they are not united in their iniquity lest they accomplish anything their hearts desire.

    I should also mention that it is possible to be saved, but not to be sure that you are. But Paul admonishes us to “enlighten the eyes of our hearts” in Ephesians 1:18.

    Below is a list of verses that enlighten us to understand our salvation.

    1 John 3:14
    “We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren.”

    1 John 5:13 – These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    John 5:24 – Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    John 3:16 – For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    1 John 2:3-4 – And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    John 20:31 – But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    2 Corinthians 13:5 – Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    Romans 8:16 – The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    Romans 8:1 – [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    John 3:3 – Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    1 John 5:5-8 – Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

    1 John 3:20 – For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

    Acts 16:31 – And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    Acts 2:21 – And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    1 John 5:1 – Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

    1 John 3:10 – In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

    1 John 3:9 – Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    1 John 2:3 – And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    1 John 1:9 – If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    2 Peter 1:10 – Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

    2 Timothy 3:15 – And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    Ephesians 2:8 – For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

    John 10:27-30 – My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    John 3:36 – He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    John 1:12 – But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

    1 John 5:18 – We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    1 John 5:4 – For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.

    1 John 4:6 – We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    1 John 3:24 – And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    Colossians 2:2 – That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

    Philippians 1:6 – Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

    Ephesians 2:5 – Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

    2 Corinthians 5:17 – Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    Romans 10:9 – That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    Romans 8:1-39 – [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Read More…)

    Romans 6:23 – For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Romans 4:25 – Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    Mark 16:16 – He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    Matthew 7:23 – And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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