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    Hi T8,

    If you are ruled by logic then you would believe that.

    Scripture is spiritual.

    Get over it.

    So I should ignore the fact that you teach,  Jesus is not the Christ, because I would be engaging in logic?

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    Hi T8,

    If you are ruled by logic then you would believe that.

    Scripture is spiritual.

    Get over it.

    So I should ignore that you teach that Jesus is not the Christ because that is being logical?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 3 months ago

    By extension, those who believe that God created a man 2000 years ago and had him crucified for all humanity doesn’t show such great a love as if he had the life that was with him before the cosmos come in the flesh and die and suffer for us.

    For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 3 months ago

    By extension, those who believe that God created a man 2000 years ago and had him crucified for all humanity doesn’t show such great a love as if he had the life that was with him before the cosmos come in the flesh and die and suffer for us. He gave his ONLY begotten from the foundation of the .

    For He was foreknown before the foundation of the…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 3 months ago

    T8…..Your preseception of the word “before” used there is your problem. You assume he is speaking of his existence as a “being”, but that was not Jesus’ point , he was talking about his importance in standing. HE IS MORE INPORTANT than Abraham was

    And yet, we see the Pharisees say the following: “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You se…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 3 months ago

    1 John 1:2 “The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.”

    It does appear that some here trip all over the John’s books.

    The eternal life that was with the Father answers to the Word that was with God.

    Some here say that Jesus was neither that lif…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 3 months ago

    Hi t8,

    No contradiction as it was the Spirit speaking through Jesus.

    Can you not yet believe Jesus?

    So you are basically saying that Jesus spoke many things, but once baptized, he never spoke again. Only God spoke directly through him.

    If not, please clarify.

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    Unless the beast encroaches in the territory covered in the prophesy then there is no room for it in the area as the kingdoms in that area are covered. Unless it has some unity with the Roman Empire Isis will fail in its endeavors to unify the kingdoms of that area. The Secularist that are also attempting to unify the area will also fail though…

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    Unless the beast encroaches in the territory covered in the prophesy then there is no room for it in the area as the kingdoms in that area are covered. Unless it has some unity with the Roman Empire Isis will fail in its endeavors to unify the kingdoms of that area. The Secularist that are also attempting to unify the area will also fail though…

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    According to the prophecy of Daniel there will be only five empires from the time of Nebuchadnezzar to the Messianic Age.
    1) The golden head = Neo-Babylonian Empire
    2) The silver chest and arms = Mede-Persian Empire
    3) The bronze thighs and waist = Greek Empire and their offspring
    4) The iron legs = The Roman Empire both East and West though East…

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    The earlier conviction, which I think started with Martin Luther, was that the Pope and Catholicism were the beast of Revelations. What was the fruit of that belief?

    Still a contender I think, although I think Mystery Babylon fits the bill better. She wears purple and crimson and made the whole world drunk on her wine. Certainly sounds like a city…[Read more]

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    The earlier conviction, which I think started with Martin Luther, was that the Pope and Catholicism were the beast of Revelations. What was the fruit of that belief?

    Still a contender I think, although I think Mystery Babylon fits the bill better. She wears purple and crimson and made the whole world drunk on her wine. Certainly sounds like a city…[Read more]

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    Unless the beast encroaches in the territory covered in the prophesy then there is no room for it in the area as the kingdoms in that area are covered. Unless it has some unity with the Roman Empire Isis will fail in its endeavors to unify the kingdoms of that area. The Secularist that are also attempting to unify the area will also fail though…

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    Nick, I think this went over your head.

    We all know that God the Father is in Heaven. No one is arguing against that. But scripture says that Jesus mission is to redeem/renew creation so God can dwell in all and by his spirit I imagine. So how is that. Well I postulate that he could be inside the smallest building block of the atom, thus he could…[Read more]

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    Nick, I think this went over your head.

    We all know that God the Father is in Heaven. No one is arguing against that. But scripture says that Jesus mission is to redeem/renew creation so God can dwell in all and by his spirit I imagine. So how is that. Well I postulate that he could be inside the smallest building block of the atom, thus he could…[Read more]

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    Jesus return ushers in the Millennial reign. There is no Beast during that time. If Islam is the seventh king and eighth too, then Jesus hasn’t returned.

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    Oh yeah, I forgot that Ed J believes that Jesus has already returned.

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    Do you still think he was the angel of God?

    Another false conclusion Nick.

    I started a topic called “The Angel of the LORD“. I never conclusively said that he was, but that Jesus was clearly called a messenger in scripture and that the Messenger of God in the Old Testament had much in common with Jesus Christ. It was a topic of discovery to see…[Read more]

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    Do you still think he was the angel of God?

    Another false conclusion Nick.

    I started a topic called “The Angel of the LORD“. I never conclusively said that he was, but that Jesus was clearly called a messenger in scripture and that the Messenger of God in the Old Testament had much in common with Jesus Christ. It was a topic of discovery to see…[Read more]

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    Hi t8,

    Jesus was made a little lower than the Angels.heb 2.9

    But you think otherwise?

    Please pay attention so that you do not have to repeatedly come to erroneous conclusions.

    He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and came in the flesh. 

    I see being made a little lower than the angels as being complimentary to what I believe and…[Read more]

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