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Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
I believe, that you do not take me seriously if you think that I teach that Jesus is God the Father.
lol. You say ” I believe, that you do not take me seriously if you think that I teach that Jesus is God the Father. I have never taught that. You do not understand the term ‘unity.’” and you roll your eyes at me? Look in the mirror and roll you…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene on free will in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
So why bother preaching at me with your view if you are not trying to get me to choose your view?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 8 months ago
I believe that he was begotten by God as the first to be with him. He was the Word that was with God and came in the flesh. His unique birth on Earth certainly qualifies him as the son of God and I think even Adam was called that.. But we are also told that One will go forth who will be ruler in Israel and who his goings forth are from long ago,…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 8 months ago
The Word was with God in the beginning. The Word became flesh and was called Jesus. He was born the messiah, savior, and Lord. He was the son of God at his birth in a manger. So he was the son at this point in the least.
Does this not mean to you that he was the son of God at that point and possibly earlier?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 8 months ago
But certainly do not deny it even if he was the Word. Why do people think when you say something that it automatically also means you deny something else. I think that is either silly or intentionally designed to make the opponent’s argument look a little silly. To me that is a desperate challenge and not completely an honest one.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 8 months ago
It was because you said that he was the son at that point (in the manger)” in the least,” that I see your lack of confidence in the belief that he was the son even before the manger and therefore before creation.
I can prove in scripture that he was born the son of God in Bethlehem. Not sure I can pull out a clear scripture that calls him the son…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 8 months ago
So, now are you saying that Jesus was not a “son” when He was the Word of the LORD in the OT?
That is a desperate statement LU.
If I said that Jesus was the truth would that nullify that he was the son of God?
No.
So it is if I say Jesus is something else as well.
He can be called and be more than one thing. Pretty obvious, but I know you kno…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
Most of what you say is unsubstantiated. I do not take you seriously that is the truth.
God made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.
Your doctrine is not compatible.
You like many others have created God in an image of your own understanding.
However, you should receive the light as it would show up the darkness of ignorance and arrogance. Then…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
Most of what you say is unsubstantiated. I do not take you seriously that is the truth.
God made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.
Your doctrine is not compatible.
You like many others have created God in an image of your own understanding.
However, you should receive the light as it would show up the darkness of ignorance and arrogance. Then…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 8 months ago
And even if i say the same things over an over, that does not mean i am wrong now does it
Anyone can repeat false doctrine over and over again. It doesn’t make it right either.
But repeating the same thing when you have been refuted is a form of insanity.
e.g., You say that Jesus was not born the messiah.
But scripture records a message given…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 8 months ago
And even if i say the same things over an over, that does not mean i am wrong now does it
Anyone can repeat false doctrine over and over again. It doesn’t make it right either.
But repeating the same thing when you have been refuted is a form of insanity.
e.g., You say that Jesus was not born the messiah.
But scripture records a message given…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene about when Jesus was considered the messiah in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
QUESTION: Are your words and the scripture quoted above contradictory?
Yes / No
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene about when Jesus was considered the messiah in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
QUESTION: Are your words and the scripture quoted above contradictory?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene about when Jesus was considered the messiah in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
Here it is again. No excuses.
=======================QUESTION: Are your words and the scripture quoted below contradictory?
Your words:
T8….NO SCRIPTURE SAYS JESUS “WAS” BORN THE SAVIOR,
Scripture:
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord
Yes / No in your post. Your explanation can follo…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene about when Jesus was considered the messiah in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
Here it is again. No excuses.
====================QUESTION: Are your words and the scripture quoted below contradictory?
Your words:
T8….NO SCRIPTURE SAYS JESUS “WAS” BORN THE SAVIOR,
Scripture:
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord
Yes / No in your post. Your explanation can follow in an…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene about when Jesus was considered the messiah in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
That’s a fail Gene. Answer the question at hand with a yes or no. No room for the evil one.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene on free will in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
Gene here is your first must answer question on this topic. I require a yes/no answer only. No explanation please. That can follow in a separate post.
Q: Are you trying to get me to choose your view regarding free will as opposed to my view?
yes/no
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene on free will in the forum The Hot Seat 9 years, 8 months ago
Do you not know what direct means? It doesn’t mean control.
Directors run companies right, but not all workers under the director will do or follow the director.
God gives us direction that is obvious. He doesn’t force us to go down the wide or narrow path though does he? That is why we are encouraged to walk down the narrow path to life.
If…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
You sound confused with the word Lord and the word YHWH which for a certain reason was translated as LORD.
But to clear this up for you, it was God that made Jesus, Lord, not LORD/YHWH. And even if it were true that he made him YHWH, then would that not be strange that he was made YHWH? God is not made in case you didn’t know.
“Therefore let…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
We agree that we bow our knee to Jesus and call Him Lord to the glory of God his Father.
So we will bow our knee and call him Lord to the glory of God the son too?
Not God the Son, but the son of God.
The Antichrist spirit denies he is the son of God whether that be blatantly like Muslims or subtly like those who teach the Trinity Doctrine.
One…[Read more]
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