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Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
LU, ‘The Father begat Jesus who always existed’!!!
I know. Ridiculous for a number of reasons.
- It is an oxymoron;
It is a denial of the very definition of ‘begat’;
It is a denial of sonship and fatherhood;
No such concept or language exists in scripture. It is more the realm of Greek philosophy;
It is like saying: “the cold hot” or “th…Proclaimer replied to the topic Son of God and son of man in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Your son is not you. Your brother’s son is not your brother. Nor is God’s son, God.
Son of God is all you need to say to understand that Jesus is not God. It really is as simple as it comes across. It was never meant to be complicated. Was never meant to be Greek philosophy. Just simplicity in Christ. The term ‘son of God’ means what it says. It…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Son of God and son of man in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Your son is not you. Your brother’s son is not your brother, and nor is God’s son, God.
Son of God is all you need to say to understand that Jesus is not God. It really is as simple as it comes across. It was never meant to be complicated. Was never meant to be Greek philosophy. Just simplicity in Christ. The term ‘son of God’ means what it says.…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Son of God and son of man in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Your son is not you. Your brother’s son is not your brother, and nor is God’s son, God.
Son of God is all you need to say to understand that Jesus is not God. It really is as simple as it comes across. It was never meant to be complicated. Was never meant to be Greek philosophy. Just simplicity in Christ.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The False "Church System" Deception in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Yes. Obviously if scripture is translated correctly and we believe that scripture is inspired, then we accept it. The question is then not one of doubt, but one of what kind of teaching was he giving. Further, parables are a form of teaching. How could they not be. In fact I think parables are great. They may not be direct, but people find stories…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The False "Church System" Deception in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Yes. Obviously if scripture is translated correctly and we believe that scripture is inspired, then we accept it. The question is then not one of doubt, but one of what kind of teaching was he giving. Further, parables are a form of teaching. How could they not be. In fact I think parables are great. They may not be direct, but people find stories…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Sweden has died. Do not allow your country to be next in the forum View Points 9 years, 7 months ago
Trump and The Truth about Sweden
Proclaimer replied to the topic Sweden has died. Do not allow your country to be next in the forum View Points 9 years, 7 months ago
No comprendo.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Sweden has died. Do not allow your country to be next in the forum View Points 9 years, 7 months ago
Trump and The Truth about Sweden
Proclaimer replied to the topic Sweden has died. Do not allow your country to be next in the forum View Points 9 years, 7 months ago
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Also Paul said that in Jesus dwells the full deity. He did not say “half deity” or “part deity” or “sub-deity”… what does that mean? He clearly says that the Spirit that lives in the human body of Jesus was fully God. And Paul knows that this God is not the Father. So Paul was saying that Jesus, God the Son, is fully deity, and dwells in tha…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Also Paul said that in Jesus dwells the full deity. He did not say “half deity” or “part deity” or “sub-deity”… what does that mean? He clearly says that the Spirit that lives in the human body of Jesus was fully God. And Paul knows that this God is not the Father. So Paul was saying that Jesus, God the Son, is fully deity, and dwells in tha…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
We also read that the Scripture clearly says that YHWH visited Abraham in human form, and you said that that is not God, practically saying that YHWH is not God, or that the Scripture (OT) is wrong, or a lesser revelation than the NT.
You do not understand. YHWH sends messengers. It is YHWH, but through his messenger. God is invisible and an…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
We also read that the Scripture clearly says that YHWH visited Abraham in human form, and you said that that is not God, practically saying that YHWH is not God, or that the Scripture (OT) is wrong, or a lesser revelation than the NT.
You do not understand. YHWH sends messengers. It is YHWH, but through his messenger. God is invisible and an…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
It’s been very long… been very busy with projects, and evangelizing the Moslems… you know what? Debating with them does not feel too much different from debating with you! They like to use Bible verses that you use, to prove that Jesus is not God. LOL!
And herein lies a tragedy. We alienate both Muslim and Jew with the Trinity Doctrine when it is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 7 months ago
Building walls is not evil
Jerusalem had walls and many criticize Israel for their wall today. Believers who condemn the wall in Israel never seem to criticize Israel for doing that in their past. In some instances it is wise. Heavenly Jerusalem has walls and certain people are not allowed to enter. See Revelation 21:10-1510 And he carried me…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 7 months ago
Building walls is not evil
Jerusalem had walls and many criticize Israel for their wall today. Believers who condemn the wall in Israel never seem to criticize Israel for doing that in their past. In some instances it is wise. Heavenly Jerusalem has walls and certain people are not allowed to enter. See Revelation 21:10-1510 And he carried me…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 7 months ago
Regardless of whatever you say, you are still ignoring the main commandment of Jesus Christ and that is – love thy neighbor as thyself. It doesn’t from what I have read include building walls, or turning away the refugee.
How to reach out to people without judging must be hard?Miia. You don’t help murders by letting them live in your hou…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Thank you for your post and support. I agree, I am not declaring anything new. The early church fathers used terms like ‘offspring’ and ‘begotten God’ regarding Jesus/Yeshua and terms like ‘the unbegotten God’ in regards to the Father. That was before the Council of Nicea.
These writings clearly define Jesus as the first work of the Father as t…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Thank you for your post and support. I agree, I am not declaring anything new. The early church fathers used terms like ‘offspring’ and ‘begotten God’ regarding Jesus/Yeshua and terms like ‘the unbegotten God’ in regards to the Father. That was before the Council of Nicea.
These writings clearly define Jesus as the first work of the Father as t…[Read more]
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