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Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Which piece of evidence can you personally verify? Just list one.
I can neither prove the Earth is a sphere or a flat disc on my own. What I do have like everyone else is the weight of indirect evidence.
I posted a couple of videos showing the Antarctica and a base there. I posted some personal photos of the Antarctic Centre and Airport wing in…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Nick, to be fair, science is disproven by science all the time.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
please please please can we see the 150k high wall.
It’s a 150M wall according to Trump.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
T8, with the information you gave me, the mountain in the distance should have 1723 meters hidden by curvature.
Hi Mike.
Maybe I have produced irrefutable evidence against the ball earth, but that doesn’t worry me because I care only for the truth. But my gut instinct or reaction to brainwashing if it is that is to say the math must be wrong.…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Hey T8, I put Mt Ruapehu and Paekakariki Hill into Google World. It shows 127 miles distance, but looks like it is all over land, whereas your photo looks to be over sea. Do you have the locations right? Just double checking.
Good question Mike.
When I took the pic, I assumed it was Mount Taranaki which is a volcano further east. Here is a…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Mike, if from the perspective of the viewer the sun was hovering just above the horizon and the moon much higher than the horizon, then why couldn’t the shadow be different if the sun was higher on the horizon and the moon lower? When lunar eclipses happen, I assume, (I’m no expert) that the sun and moon could be postioned differently and it is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
T8, were you seriously only 248 meters high when you took that photo? Because if so, this is big.
Yes Mike, I was 248 metres high according to this google search. I was standing at an official lookout that has a recorded height of 248 metres. Next time I pass by here I will photograph the plaque if there is one. They usually tell you the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
I know that things can look bigger on the horizon because of the way light is reflected through moisture or something like that. I have on a few occasions seen things appear bigger when looking in the direction the photo was taken. The low-rise on the peninsula once looked like it had high rise apartments. I boiled it down to moisture in the air…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Another quick point. Imagine the circumference of an eternal circle. It would be a straight line right? So a really big circle would also appear as a straight line too. Compared to us, the Earth is a very big circle or sphere. So that at least supports the idea of a spherical Earth right? It’s not like that is counterintuitive or not logical. Not…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Okay, Mike. I found a photo (not mine) that is a similar projection to my photo except it is taken up close and shows the lower flanks of Mt Ruapehu clearly.

I have attached my image so you can download it and zoom in on it and make a decent comparison.
IMO, my photo doesn’t show the very lowest part of the mountain. The above photo…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Here is the world record holder for distance photography. The peak in the center is 2.7 Km tall, and 392 Km away. We’re not told the height of the photographer, but if he took the photo from ground level, we’d be talking about 12 Km of curvature that should be hiding the 2.7 Km tall mountain. And even if he took it from the very top of the mo…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Mike, you say we (heliocentric model believers) rely too much on the testimony of scientists, but is it possible that you rely too much on the testimony of the math calculator or the formula you use?
For me, there is a huge range of evidence for the heliocentric model. Consider that New Zealand launches rockets and satellites into Space and even…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
I put the data into one of the many earth curve calculators you can find online, and put your camera height at 1000 feet. The result was 3 miles hidden due to curve. The higher you were, the less will be hidden. I put you at 10,000 feet high, and then there’s only supposed to be 3000 feet of that mountain hidden behind curvature.
I would h…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
(I don’t know what I did to make one of those screenshots sideways.
Maybe it is because NZ and US are on the side of a globe, so it was the right way up, but when the Earth became flat it then appeared sideways. Okay, that was a joke. Carry on.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Hi Mike.
No probs about answering everything from me. I will just put my ideas out there for all to read. If you or anyone else wishes to address anything I say, then good. If not, then I won’t take it personally. This is because this is not a foundational doctrine of the faith. If one man views it as he sees from his own perspective, and another…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
There is another possibility. If indeed we can see objects that according to the dimensions of the Earth, we shouldn’t be able to see with a telescope, then here is one explanation. Light is what makes things visible and light can reflect and refract off things such as physical objects and even clouds and moisture. So it is possible to peak over…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Can anyone explain why we can see buildings, mountains, and other objects like the Statue of Liberty and lighthouses from many times farther away than we should?
Maybe the Earth is so big that it is possible to see these things from great distances before the curvature makes them invisible.
A better question might be why I cannot see Alaska…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Hey no worries Mike and no pressure at all. Sometimes I take weeks to answer a post as there are more important things in life that take precedence.
Just good to hear from you again bro.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Hey Mike, I was just thinking. If it was a flat Earth, wouldn’t it come to an end?
Jesus did say a few things about the end of the world. lol.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 1 month ago
Superstition Mountain is 4000 feet tall. At 55 miles (55 x 55 x 8), there should be 2016 feet hidden by curvature. That’s slightly more than half of it. It doesn’t look that way to me. It looks like I can see the vast majority of the whole thing. What do you see?
Good Mike. You check stuff out unlike most people. Of course checking stu…[Read more]
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