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Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Of course the Son was existing with God when the work of His begetting took place from God, His Father. Where else would He be but right there within Him?
We also are born again and we were born of our parents physically. Yes, all comes from God originally though, the cosmos included. He is the Father of all spirits. Yes, he is before all…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Ahh, the son was begotten not always existing with or as God. Some of the Church fathers called this God’s first work.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Hi Dig4,
The Son was conceived and born of a woman and named Yeshua after that.
The Word was with God and was God in the beginning.
The Word was made flesh at the Jordan.
It is written that God created all things through his Word and through the son of God. Your theology dates the cosmos to less than 2000 years old. Anyway, that is another topic.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
We’re not talking about the people inside the plane, we’re talking about the plane itself.
Gravity means the plane is like the ball inside a moving car, while air resistance is the same ball on the moving bike. Yes, I imagine both play a part on the same moving plane.
So imagine the car is the Earth and when you throw a ball in the car or the Ear…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Gravity vs air resistance
And what about the outside of the car or plane?
The outside of the plane or car is the outside of the earth and atmosphere is the point I think. The atmosphere is being influenced by the earth’s gravity like the air inside the car is influenced by the local conditions inside the car, not outside the car. If you stick…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
The atmosphere moves with the Earth’s rotation
So the atmosphere is rotating with the earth but it doesn’t have an effect on planes flying in different directions? If it is rotating 1,000+ mph in one direction how then could it not have an effect on a plane flying in the opposite direction?
The video asks you to hold your hand out of a moving ca…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
An eternal circle’s circumference is a straight line. So a really big circle looks like a straight line too.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
This video touches on some of the points I raised earlier about distances in the Southern Hemisphere.
IMO, it also debunks a number of Flat Earth claims that I have seen in some videos.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
God didn’t reveal Australia and anything about the Americas to the citizens of the Middle East back in the day. I like to think that we could never know the full extent of God’s creation, it actually goes without saying. He is eternal and who can know his mind. And knowledge shall increase is a fruit of the end times. Look how much we know about…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
T8, I think I’ll save my million dollars. But since you’re close why don’t you go for it?
It’s kinda already proved to me because the yachts stopover in my city sometimes. I have seen them, met some of the crew, and find it really hard to imagine the whole thing being orchestrated to try and prove a globe earth. In fact, now that I think of it, I…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
It could be literal but would be strange if there was no sun. Morning and evening of course could perhaps mean the beginning and end of that period with no reference to the sun at all.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Could be a fly on the lense?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Explaining the supposed Flat Earth photo

T8: Where is your photo or video of the Flat Earth…
Mike: You took it, remember? Game, set, match right there. Don’t worry, there’s plenty more evidence to come.As much as I would love to be the guy that took a photo of the Flat Earth and receive instant fame and perhaps a bit of fortune, what I most li…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
I hear ya, but in this case we already have the light. We’re trying to figure out what caused the evening 3 times before the sun and moon were placed in the firmament and set on their appointed circuits.
If the sun is part of the heavens, then day 1. And if the sun appeared on day 4, then an atmosphere that light can penetrate allowing life to f…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
The $1 million dollar challenge to settle the Flat Earth debate
T8: “Guys why not start up a GoFundMe page where Flat Earthers can donate to, to build a rocket. Then blast that thing into the firmament, and create another large crack in it. Then tell the Ball Earthers to explain how there are now two cracks in the firmament. Once t…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
So then King David was just confused about us living on a spinning ball, and assumed from his viewpoint that it was the sun moving around the earth? Is that it?
He wasn’t confused because if the earth goes around the sun, this also means the sun is going round the earth from our vantage point. This is what he saw and what we see and that is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Yeah, we’re still trying to get to all that evidence, because as of now, there hasn’t been a single piece produced on this thread that we could individually verify.
Likewise, where is the personal evidence for atoms, the soul, the man called Jesus Christ, and the Illuminati.
The point here is that most of what we will produce as evidence is tes…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
The cake argument
I have to say that this has been an eye-opening discussion so far. It never dawned on me that so many of you would turn out to be theistic evolutionists, believing in the big bang, deep time, and evolution as God’s way of creating our world in six huge time periods that are not to be confused with 24 hour days.
I think you w…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Trolls are useful
Being a troll is hard work, but someone’s gotta do it, right?
Trolls and hecklers are actually quite useful. They often attract crowds to hear the message.
Jesus had trolls heckling him right. And knowing human nature, they probably helped attract crowds to see what was going on.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
House of cards
Of course I do. I’ve only shown you four things out of literally hundreds. But here’s something you need to keep in mind: We don’t have to disprove every single claim made by every single ball earther who has ever lived. All we need is one single piece of conclusive and verifiable evidence to bring the entire house of cards…
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