I wonder if there is more chance of refraction than compression though. How likely is zero refraction on a vista over water compared to compression?

Seems to me that these are both the same kind of evidence.

So while you may revile me for saying ‘refraction’, are you then entitled to say ‘compression’?

What about not being upset at refraction…[Read more]

I don’t see your acknowledgement, T8.  Why not just say, “Yes Mike, we ball earthers base our claims of refraction/miraging on whether or not the distant object SHOULD be seen on the ball earth… and nothing else whatsoever.”

That’s not a correct assessment of the matter. I never claimed refraction only. I claimed you ignored what was under th…[Read more]

I already admitted in a post above on this page.

That if there was any height not explained, that it would be refraction because refraction is a real thing that I believe in and it is more likely there was some refraction than absolute zero refraction. What I could never prove and I never claimed was how much refraction.

And yes correct, if say…[Read more]

Yes, I think you are right there, although I can’t recall you bringing it down to 45% missing.

So the guys pointed out that half the mountain is missing, so it works right?

This one is debunked. My image is absolutely possible on a globe earth.

Phew! I nearly converted to the flat earth right there and then, but I have been saved.
(Okay that…[Read more]

Mike, you need to understand that I actually said that it could work without refraction, but that because I believe in refraction, that it played an inevitable part because I thought it unlikely that there would be zero refraction with all that water in the image. Further ,I used refraction as the explanation given any meterage that was…[Read more]

I’m not sure which is worse, the Trinity Doctrine or the Ordinary Jesus Doctrine.

Looks to me like the tree line goes all the way down to the base. So if you can all of the tree line then you are seeing down to the base.

The tree line stops around 590 metres above sea level. Our extended family had access to a house in the town of Ohakune, so we were regular visitors some years back. This town is around 590 metres above sea…[Read more]

Another rocket launched from Mahia, NZ
Another satellite launched. But don’t tell me it is all a conspiracy, I have a direct family member who played a part in this launch.

Mike, I think you were caught in your own craftiness. You mentioned in the live stream video to not use any rescuing devices to avoid the ‘refraction’ answer I assume. Then you introduced a rescuing device yourself near the end when you are on the ropes, that is, ‘compression’.

Yes you did say that you can use real things, but you wanted to avoid…[Read more]

Fact: There’s still a whole 590 metres below the tree line. As you drive toward Ruapehu, you slowly ascend 590 metres through rich pastoral land, not forest. Yes there are a few hills with trees, but these hills are hundreds of metres above sea level. I guess around 90% is grasslands. You can see this clearly on Google Maps in satellite mode.

Sorry Gene.

We will not be in the glory we had with the Father before the world begun unless we preexisted.

We did not come from Heaven.

Are you asserting that we came from the Father then entered the world and one day will leave the world and go back to the Father?

If you deny this of Jesus, then obviously you deny it about us, but if you…[Read more]

It would seem that way Ed J.

Mike’s Ruapehu hypothesis is debunked

Hi Mike. So if the tree line is about half way down or up the mountain due to the base being 900 metres high to start with, and if the calculators say that half the mountain should be hidden in my photo of Ruapehu (below), then it adds up right? So my photo actually points to the Earth being a globe given…[Read more]

The other thing that you argued was that people resort to refraction based on their premise that the earth is a globe, so they start with the conclusion, but then they argued this successfully without refraction and for some reason you got upset about the refraction thing. But that didn’t do anything for the Flat Earth argument and they pointed…[Read more]

Okay, I watched this and I think it is fair to say Mike that they debunked the notion that this image is proof of a Flat Earth. Rather as they say, the image lines up with a Globe Earth.

I thought the guys you debated were respectful and didn’t bring up refraction as the answer because that was somehow not allowed, but then you brought up…[Read more]