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    I’m not sure which is worse, the Trinity Doctrine or the Ordinary Jesus Doctrine.

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    Looks to me like the tree line goes all the way down to the base. So if you can all of the tree line then you are seeing down to the base.

    The tree line stops around 590 metres above sea level. Our extended family had access to a house in the town of Ohakune, so we were regular visitors some years back. This town is around 590 metres above sea…[Read more]

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    Another rocket launched from Mahia, NZ
    Another satellite launched. But don’t tell me it is all a conspiracy, I have a direct family member who played a part in this launch.

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    Mike, I think you were caught in your own craftiness. You mentioned in the live stream video to not use any rescuing devices to avoid the ‘refraction’ answer I assume. Then you introduced a rescuing device yourself near the end when you are on the ropes, that is, ‘compression’.

    Yes you did say that you can use real things, but you wanted to avoid…[Read more]

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    Fact: There’s still a whole 590 metres below the tree line. As you drive toward Ruapehu, you slowly ascend 590 metres through rich pastoral land, not forest. Yes there are a few hills with trees, but these hills are hundreds of metres above sea level. I guess around 90% is grasslands. You can see this clearly on Google Maps in satellite mode.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years ago

    Sorry Gene.

    We will not be in the glory we had with the Father before the world begun unless we preexisted.

    We did not come from Heaven.

    Are you asserting that we came from the Father then entered the world and one day will leave the world and go back to the Father?

    If you deny this of Jesus, then obviously you deny it about us, but if you…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer posted a new activity comment 7 years ago

    The next step is to practice what you preach. When you do that, then you can teach and judge correctly.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years ago

    It would seem that way Ed J.

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    Mike’s Ruapehu hypothesis is debunked

    Hi Mike. So if the tree line is about half way down or up the mountain due to the base being 900 metres high to start with, and if the calculators say that half the mountain should be hidden in my photo of Ruapehu (below), then it adds up right? So my photo actually points to the Earth being a globe given…[Read more]

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    The other thing that you argued was that people resort to refraction based on their premise that the earth is a globe, so they start with the conclusion, but then they argued this successfully without refraction and for some reason you got upset about the refraction thing. But that didn’t do anything for the Flat Earth argument and they pointed…[Read more]

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    Okay, I watched this and I think it is fair to say Mike that they debunked the notion that this image is proof of a Flat Earth. Rather as they say, the image lines up with a Globe Earth.

    I thought the guys you debated were respectful and didn’t bring up refraction as the answer because that was somehow not allowed, but then you brought up…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer posted a new activity comment 7 years ago

    Usually I believe scripture like when it says Jesus was the Christ in the City of David and you say it is my own wisdom. Well, that is a compliment, but it is not me Nick. Likewise I believe this and you attack me and others for this. Sad. What will be your reward one asks.
    John 16:28
    I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years ago

    This is what we have been saying all along and yet some who profess to be Believers still do not believe.

    John 16:28
    I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

    John 17:5
    And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world e…[Read more]

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    This is what we have been saying all along and yet some who profess to be Believers still do not believe.

    John 16:28
    I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

    John 17:5
    And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

     

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    Posting this to watch later.

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    Chicago skyline
    I agree that the news presenter offers no evidence, but that is because it is not a science show and each news clip is brief for reasons of time. But look at the facts:

    1. There is a ton of evidence in the form of photos, videos, mathematics, large objects dropping over the horizon, as well as boat, ship, and aircraft navigation…

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    This will be interesting.

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    Proclaimer posted a new activity comment 7 years ago

    Nick, it would be wise for you to focus on your relationship with God and stop attacking those that love God. Imagine what God thinks about people that attack his children.

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    It’s easier to fool people then convince them they are being fooled.”
    – Mark Twain

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