If you ask people in Israel who the words of Isaiah are describing, even they will say Jesus.

Careful how you tread; to discount what I have written is to say Rabbi’s are clueless and have no understanding of the Tanakh.

I am not saying they are clueless, but let’s be honest. If Jesus is the Christ, then the Rabbi’s who do not believe that Jesus is the Christ are clueless in that respect. For these Rabbis to be correct, it would mean t…[Read more]

Onto your interpretation, if the “our” are the one’s who are bringing good tidings in verse 1; then the “our” in verse 5 are the same who are wounding him and bruising him. Does this make sense to you? With your interpretation, it removes Jesus from the picture.

Verse 5 says this:

But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed fo…[Read more]

Hi Desiretruth.

You have made some big leaps in your last post.

Chapter 52 is addressed to God’s people the nation of Israel and in particular Jerusalem, but also Zion in the wider context.

1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee…[Read more]

Flat earthers see Globe believers as a threat. On the other hand ,given the well publicized evidence for a globe, Globe believers feel secure. Globe believers always ask for evidence that contradicts their beliefs, that’s how science works, question everything. To this day, no evidence had ever been put forward from a flat Earther? If this was a c…[Read more]

Who is this “our” in verse 5? You, me, mankind? EXCEPT verse 5 is the continued thought from verse 1 and “Who has believed our message”? This “our” is whom? Did you, me, or mankind bring some message and to whom did we give it? What was this message? What a perplexing mystery!

Let’s start in verse Isaiah verse 4.

Surely he hath borne our griefs,…[Read more]

The vast knowledge of the flat earth:
Earths shape: Flat
Diameter: Unknown
Area: Unknown
Distance around the equator and the distance from the equator to the N Pole: Unknown
Dome composition: Unknown
Dome altitude: Unknown
Polaris photos frome the southern hemisphere: None
Suns composition or energy source: Unknown
Suns shape: Unknown
Distance to…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Who here is denying Isaiah 53,  was not speaking about Jesus in prophesy.?

Answer: Desiretruth is.

There is no proof of a “preexisting ” Jesus in any of our Old Testament scriptures at all, no one can produce a single scripture showing “ANY” activity of him being alive before his birth on this earth at all

Jesus is not mentioned by…[Read more]

Now find the preexisting Jesus in the old testament…GO!

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….Jesus was simply telling he was more “important” them Abraham to them,

Not so. Read these words slowly. You can see the Pharisees clearly understood him to mean that he was older than Abraham and Jesus didn’t deny it. He affirmed it by saying “Before Abraham, I am”. Your teaching is “before Abraham, I wasn’t”. Once again, a complet…[Read more]

The Ordinary Jesus Brigade have a lot of issues with these words of Jesus in John 8:48-59
48 The Jews answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. 50 Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is…[Read more]

@dannyd
The reason a flat-earthers believe the earth is flat is the same reason a 4 year old believes in Santa Claus. They both think alike. The reason is the brain of both haven’t developed the mental faculties necessary to differentiate between fact and fiction. While a 4 year old will eventually mature mentally and realize the myth, the f…[Read more]

If you say there are no photos of earth from space, you are a liar.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/567758631983266/

When I use such terms, I say for example that simpletons do this or only a low IQ person could believe that. I believe these statements to be true and I think most other people agree. It is up to you if you feel that you fit that ‘simpleton’ bracket. If it points directly at you then yes, you might get offended. If so, then my advice is to realise…[Read more]