Hi Marlin,Welcome to Heaven Net.There is quite a bit of suggestion, and some proof, that Matt 28:19 was added into the scriptures at a later date.But, assuming it is legit, “name of” could refer to “authority of”, right?Which brings up the question:  Why did none of the disciples ever baptize anyone using this formula?What is YOUR take on it?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2011,21:35)Mike,Why do you forget that the Son emptied Himself of something. If He emptied Himself of something, then He had less of the 'something' than He did before.And YOU forget that it was AFTER he died that he was exalted to an EVEN HIGHER position than the one he left.If, from this EVEN HIGHER position, he still…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,20:04)Read the NET notes of that here:3 tn The genitive construction πάσης κτίσεως (pash” ktisew”) is a genitive of subordination and is therefore translated as “over all creation.” See ExSyn 103-4.Tell me how they/you KNOW this, Kathi?  For sure the word “pasa” is genitive.  But, tell me how you can gramm…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,02:12)the others could mean the wild beast in that are ,but I do not think it is other menI suppose it could refer to wild beasts. But I don't suppose that is what was meant. How can a wild beast suffer vengeance seven times over?And Lamech surely wasn't talking about beasts when he said he would be avenged 77…

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 24 2011,00:58)So cain must have taken one or more sisters to the land of nod.That doesn't explain why Cain was afraid of the “others” in the land of Nod who would kill him.  Why would he be afraid of the very sisters he was taking with him?Nor does it seem right that Cain was allowed to take sisters along with him to HIS…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 23 2011,22:11)Now 1thess.4:16 The LORD JESUS will come down with the voice of the arch angel(Michael) NOT HIS OWN VOICE,BUT THE VOICE OF HIS CAPTAIN;JESUS IS THE KING KING OF KINGS INFECT.This is also how I see it, Wakeup.1.  I agree with you that Jesus is not Michael.2.  I understand how the JWs come to their conclusion, b…[Read more]

Okay, what's the score here?To my knowledge, Ed is the ONLY one on this site that doesn't recognize the Word of God in Rev 19:13 as Jesus Christ.Is this correct? Frank, do you believe Rev 19:13 describes Jesus? Gene? Do you?

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 24 2011,03:26)Isiah 45:7 Lament3:38. Amos 3:6.Do you understand these verses to be saying that God Himself has done evil deeds?

Btw t8,On the previous page, Stu's avatar is a blank square with a little red “x” in the upper left corner.  I can see everyone else's though.

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2011,20:35)Hi Mike,These are the people (Atheists and Agnostics) that say 'a rock'(as in minerals) hast brought us forth,and you already know the bunch that say it was 'a stock'(as in who died on a cross (Rom.1:25)).Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 24 2011,01:16)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I also watched Nova last night, where they explained how the first fish grew legs and walked out of the ocean onto land.  The narrator said something like, “This first fish came into a world full of vegetation and insects, ripe for the picking.”But that left me wondering which fish first…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 24 2011,01:16)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I'm wondering why apes don't know to look to where someone is pointing, when human babies and even canines do.  Any idea?I wasn’t even aware of it, to be honest.  It might be as Tim described.  It could be that one characteristic humans possess to a greater degree than other species is the abil…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 24 2011,01:16)According to some, there is brilliant and subtle sarcasm in some of the books.  Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour, and I can’t see it myself anyway. Isaiah 4414 He cut down cedars,   or perhaps took a cypress or oak. He let it grow among the trees of the forest,   or planted a pine, and the rain made it grow…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 23 2011,03:37)All that are “in” God or “of” God are purified LOVE spirits or they cannot be a part of God.But you seem to forget that all are NOT “in God” or “of God”. What about those others, Tim? Will God just continue to love them and accept their evil ways? Or will He finally execute His WRATH upon them, as scripture says He will?

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 24 2011,04:31)that's the reason why christ is GOD.Hmmmm………… what's wrong with this statement?  Let me rephrase it for you, and see if you can detect the problem:“That's the reason why the one who God anointed IS the very God who anointed him.”Do you see it now, jammin?Quote (jammin @ Dec. 24 2011,04:31)he  is not c…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 22 2011,19:16)satan is not divine! he is evil!Did God create him evil, jammin?  Or did God create him as a divine angel like all the rest, and then he decided to do evil things after the fact?Quote (jammin @ Dec. 22 2011,19:16)The dragon with his angels was thrown down to the earth.So Satan has his own angels?  Exactly what k…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 23 2011,05:02)The verse you quoted the translation for the word “evil” can also be “calamity” and is so in other translations.I think this statement may have gotten lost in the shuffle, Wm.From NetBible, which is one of the translations that render it as “calamity”:Isa 45:73sn This verses affirms that God is ultimately…[Read more]

Wakeup?And what does “morning star” mean in scripture?

Hi Wakeup,While it is a fact that Jesus IS an angel of his God, and obviously couldn't have come into being through himself, I agree that Jesus is not Michael.The JWs understand 1 Thess 4:16 to be calling Jesus an archangel:  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 23 2011,16:56)You definitely go out of your way to slander people, and your last post to wakeup only proves the point,What exact words did I say to Wakeup that are inaccurate, Gene?