Quote (abe @ Aug. 11 2013,00:05)NASB Translationbegan (62), begin (7), beginning (8), begins (2), begun (1), proceed (1), rule (1), rulers (1), starting (2)How can you say the word means RULE ??Hmmmmm……………

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 10 2013,19:04)It is not hard to see that it is not a contradiction to be the only God and yet there are other gods, just as it is not hard to see that there is only one who is good, while others can be good too.Agreed.So why then do you have a hard time calling these other ones gods?

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 10 2013,19:04)But of course we believe with the exception of God that those who are good, receive their goodness from God. It is not their own goodness that makes them good.Likewise, there is only one God and yet others are called theos by reason of receiving that theos by God.And just like we can't say Jesus is not really good…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 10 2013,19:04)Mike, I believe it is like this.There is only one God.Other are called theos.Then you need to further align your beliefs with the scriptures, t8.  Because in the scriptures, there are many who are called elohim and theos, one of whom is Jehovah. This is why Jehovah has to be called the MOST HIGH elohim, and the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2013,13:14) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Are you saying that only “Jehovah the Son” is “Jehovah of hosts”, and Jehovah the Father is NOT “Jehovah of hosts”?I'm not saying one way or the other as I have not done an exhaustive study on this.So how do you know the “Jehovah of hosts” in Isaiah 8:13 is the Son then?Quote (Lightenup @…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 11 2013,05:37)The reality is that Mike clearly believes that the Father is the true and Most High God. So I count one.Absolutely.  And Mike has enough common sense to understand that Jehovah couldn't possibly by the MOST HIGH god unless there existed other LESS HIGH gods.  (Common sense……….. and the fact that the s…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,05:00)Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated.Agreed. There is Biblical precedence set by Daniel, who would pray at certain times each day. (Although he did that alone in his own room, and not in a big group for the whole world to see and perhaps be “awed” at his…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2013,02:22)Sura 4.171 Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son…………The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.  (Psalm 118:22, Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11, 1 Peter 2:7)This same cornerstone was prophesied from days of old to become a stumbling block to many.

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 10 2013,18:18)Paul tells us that only one and the same spirit is in believers.Paul also tells us that believers have only one Lord, Jesus Christ.Do you suppose Paul meant to exclude our Heavenly Father as “Lord” over us?

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2013,10:57)But to a born again Christian, to me, he is not “a god”.So to Paul, he was a god.  But to you, a better Christian than Paul apparently, he is not a god?Marty, in essence what you are saying is:  According to the God-inspired scriptures, and those servants of God who recorded those scriptures, they ARE gods.  …[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,06:36)He did not lay down His life in order to receive treasures in heaven or to be at God's right hand. This was His reward for being obedient!! Yes, I agree that many would lay down their life IN ORDER to receive rewards.Good.  Then you agree that you, I, and almost every other single person on earth would JUMP at the…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,06:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,06:43)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:57)Well, Jesus is God's firstborn. He is the first BEGOTTEN of God. It does not say “first created” or “first made.”And what about Revelation 3:14, where Jesus refers to himself as the “beginning of the creation by God”?He is the beginning of the…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,06:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,06:41)5.  I believe that in John 6, Jesus made it abundantly clear that he came down from heaven, and that some of those standing there would later see him ascend to “where I was before” – meaning “to heaven”.  Then some of those standing there DID actually see him ascend to “…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,05:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,06:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,13:02)Surely you don't deny that by “from the earth”, Paul means that the first man ORIGINATED from the earth, right?  He came FROM dust, right?So why then would you deny that the second man ORIGINATED from heaven?  It means he came FROM h…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,05:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,06:10)Surely saying he came DOWN FROM heaven is not the same as saying he is metaphorically “of heaven”, or “of God” – as all things are.So, YES, He came “down from Heaven” being MADE a man.Jesus said: I (me, myself personally) came down from (as in, “I was there, but came down from…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,05:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,05:44)Did all knees in heaven and earth bow to him at that time?  No.Not yet. But, scripture does tell us that the first time He will be a suffering Messiah, but will come back and “all knees in heaven and earth will bow to Him. Right?Agreed.  So that means that when God again b…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,05:10)1. Does NOT say “was existing.” It says “hyparchon”, which is “subsisting,” which is existing, not WAS existing. You made it a past tense verse.At the time Paul wrote these words, hadn't all the things he mentioned already happened in the PAST?  The statement as a whole is a PAST TENSE statement, about how Jesus…[Read more]

But Marty,It was the Apostle Paul who called Satan a god, right?And Paul didn't worship Satan, right?And Satan isn't one of God's representatives, right?So how can Paul call Satan a god when all of your self-imagined criteria are not being met?

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2013,16:18)Mike,No, I cannot conceive of a sound and valid argument to support your teaching “that the Word being made flesh DIDN'T contradict the flesh being the seed of David”.I realize that you can't conceive of it, Kerwin. That's why I've offered to painstakingly show it to you from the words of scripture.Are you…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2013,16:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2013,03:40)And what if I could show you scripturally that the Word being made flesh DIDN'T contradict the flesh being the seed of David?Mike,You cannot show that evidence because the Word is not a descendant of David.  I am not sure why you are convinced otherwise.You agree that Jesus…[Read more]