Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2013,06:27)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 27 2013,22:11)Quote (Colter @ Aug. 28 2013,01:05)I often tell anti Trinitarians they should just rewrite the Bible and fix all of its missleadings.Let's see you back this up with a verse in the Bible that clearly teaches the Trinity.If you argue it is there, then where?The UB concept of the…[Read more]

Wakeup,Do you believe Jesus is NOW the King of kings?  Or do you believe that he will someday BE the King of kings?Because kings rule, right?

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 27 2013,04:56)john knows that the Word in john 1.1 is Christ. rev 19.13 supports jn 1.1.Good point.And the reason John knows this is because John wrote Revelation BEFORE he wrote his gospel! So of course John calling Jesus “the Word” in Rev 19:13 supports the same exact writer calling the same exact person by the same exact…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,12:49)From these verses we see that Jesus was foreknown by God, chosen by God, made in the womb of Mary, and received glory after his resurrection.I wholeheartedly agree with each and every one of those things, jb.Now, tell me which one of them prohibits Jesus from existing alongside his God with much glory before the…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,09:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:35)jb, consider the following order of events – according to your understanding:1.  The HUMAN BEING Jesus existed in the form of God.2.  The HUMAN BEING Jesus didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped.3.  The HUMAN BEING Jesus emptied himself. 4.  The HUMAN BEI…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,09:11)The point would be, that Jesus was like us, but resisted sin.So “image of God” refers to men who do sin, and “form of God” refers to men who don't sin?What does “outward appearance” have to do with whether or not a man sins?

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,08:09)The problem with your and Mike's understanding is in the word “form.” The Greek word is “morphe” which is the equivalent of “image.” You believe it to mean that He existed in the “essence” of God.That is inaccurate – at least about me.I know full well that the Greek word “morphe” means “outward appearance”.I have…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,09:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:35)Agreed.  So the present tense “existing” in Phil 2 – WHEN FACTORED INTO THE PAST TENSE FORM OF THE STATEMENT AS A WHOLE – could easily be understood as a past tense “was existing in the form of God”, right?Wrong. Becuase, Jesus still exists in the form of God!How can you say…[Read more]

(Just had a peek at the forum, Ed. Looks fancy and professional. )

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2013,22:29)Hi Mike,Do you have a “Yes” / “No” question or have T8's rules changed without informing us of a new bogus formatting change of limiting ones answers?Ed,This is how the Hot Seat topic is described on the forum main page: The Hot SeatThis is the Supreme Court. Sick of people avoiding your questions? Put them on the…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 27 2013,12:58)You should easily concede this point and this is why I said READ the QURAN it will clear up many misconceptions.   If your Quran says something different than what the scriptures say, I won't believe it.  And that is the case in the excerpt you just posted.I will stick to the scriptures and believe that J…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2013,10:00)1) There is no point, even God couldn't reveal anything new to you that’s “not in the scripture”. The fact that Jesus was rejected, because he was very different from the scripture, is somehow lost in the Biblical idolatry of today.I'm confidant that I would know the difference between something God revealed to m…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,18:02)The Eternal Word1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.But you just said that Jesus WASN'T “the Eternal Son”, right?  And wouldn't it be “the ETERNAL Son” who is also “the ETERNAL Word”?   (Also, God can never be WITH God unless you are speaking of TWO Gods.  It is im…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,04:49)Jesus is a Son of the Eternal Son.So then Jesus ISN'T “the Eternal Son”?And isn't it “the Eternal Son” who “is” the Father?Or are all the “paradise creator sons” also “the Eternal Father”?Are you saying that the GRANDSON of the Father also IS the Father?

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,18:53)Of course I can say that.So then you CAN say that there are indeed MANY gods.Name three of them for me.

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 26 2013,05:07)We can assume that Mike is not running anymore.Agreed.  So the present tense “existing” in Phil 2 – WHEN FACTORED INTO THE PAST TENSE FORM OF THE STATEMENT AS A WHOLE – could easily be understood as a past tense “was existing in the form of God”, right?Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 26 2013,05:07)However, it also means that…[Read more]

Come on, Eddy.You are dodging the question and totally avoiding the point – ON PURPOSE.In that one scripture about “a devil”, are YOU right? Or is the AKJV right? Which one?(I don't want to see you get a tile, Ed. Because then you'll pout and leave again, and I don't want you to leave. Please just answer the actual question t8 has CLEARLY…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 26 2013,06:28)He is not ruling but sitting; until God make his enemies his footstool.Then what do you make of 1 Cor 15:25, Wakeup?  That one says he is reigning right now, right?I understand it as Jesus will reign from the right hand of his God until His God places all his enemies at his feet and he destroys them.The LAST…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,17:53)The only real problem is that people cannot distinguish the God and a god.Well then “people” need to be educated about this TRUTH of scripture, don't you think?t8, I can say the following with a clear conscious:Although there are those called gods (as indeed there are many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on…[Read more]

Colter,When we get to a topic where you are ready to defend your claims USING SCRIPTURE – I will have more to say to you.  I always walk away from a discussion where I'm showing things from scripture, and the other person is only allowing the scriptures he WANTS to allow.When the discussion gets to that place, what's really the point?So don't…[Read more]