Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 01 2013,18:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 02 2013,02:25)He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another. – TertullianThe problem with that theory is then you are calling Jesus “GOD”Read the quote again, Asana.  “God” is the one who created.  The one THROUGH WHOM the thing was created is “ANOTHER”……[Read more]

The fact here is that no one knows Jesus' new name………. but every single one of us knows his TITLE “The Word of God”.This is not his “new name”, Wakeup. It is the TITLE Jesus has had since the time he was created as the firstborn son of God – before the ages.

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 01 2013,09:59)It's not a stretch at all, it's just that it isn't true.So we agree that it is not a stretch. And we agree that the only reason you have to believe it isn't true is your UB.Since I believe the UB is the concoction of some man or men in the 50's, and nothing more, then I personally still don't have any valid…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 01 2013,09:47)Jesus will come again with a new name that no man knows. *His name* shall be called the *WORD OF GOD*rev.19:12.But don't we already know the title “the Word of God”?How then can it be the new name of Jesus that NOBODY KNOWS?   So since you are wrong that “Word of God” is a personal NAME, and you are wrong that…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 01 2013,09:01)1. Why does it not say Jesus was “transformed” or “changed” into a man?2. What does Jesus mean when He says He “came out from” God?3. God only talked to us “in these last days”; so, who/what was Jesus before these last days?4. Why is the word “preexist” not used in the Bible anywhere to explain/describe Jesus?1.…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 01 2013,08:56)I NEVER said that there is NOT scripture that prohibits a pre-existent Jesus. I only said those 4 passages that I quoted earlier, they did not prohibit, necessarily, a preexistence!!My bad.  I assumed that you listed those four because they were the best you had.Why not just post the scripture that DOES prohibit…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 01 2013,08:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2013,05:22)In chronological order:1.  Was existing in the form of God – WHERE he didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped.2.  BUT INSTEAD, made himself of no account BY taking on the form of a servant BY being made in the likeness of a human being.3.  And AFTER being fo…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 01 2013,08:35)How..please answer this question without skipping it..HOW can we also be of the same mind that we existed first in heaven with God, but don't seek equality, instead empty ourselves, and become men”?The teaching is very simple, jb. The mind of Jesus is that he was existing in a very prestigious position, but thought…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 01 2013,08:35)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Paul is making a CONTRAST here – which is why he used the conjunction “but” instead of “and”.  Jesus was in the form of God, but took on the form of a slave.Again, that was NOT the contrast!! Please, please, please reread that verse!!I agree that this is where THE misunderstanding is.  But t…[Read more]

Even better. So then in a non-poetic way, the Word OF God is obviously NOT the very God it is OF, right?So what then is it?

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 01 2013,08:30)Isaiah 43:11   I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is *NO SAVIOUR*.THE MAN JESUS WAS NOT;THE NAME JESUS WAS NOT. Isaiah 44:24   Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, **I am the LORD** that maketh **ALL THINGS**; that stretcheth forth the heavens *ALONE*; that s…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 01 2013,06:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2013,15:21)But unless a name change is specifically mentioned, there is no reason for a sensible person to go out of their way to ASSUME a name has changed from one thing to another.And this is the case with Jesus.  The fact that Mary was told to name him Jesus when he was born on…[Read more]

Thanks, Pierre.

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 31 2013,18:42)Gabriel is the Bright and Morning Star, the first creation ig the Creator Son in Union with the Universe Mother Spirit.Jesus told us that HE was the bright Morning Star.  And I don't even know how to address this “Universe Mother Spirit” thing the UB author has concocted.I can only roll my eyes in bewilderment…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 31 2013,14:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2013,05:35)His name was Jesus.  Why would we think it was something else?God has sent Gabriel to earth.  Did his name change when this happened?The scripture doesn't say that, according to you if it's not in the scripture you can't talk about it, remember? The scriptures don't s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 31 2013,12:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2013,21:23)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 29 2013,15:29)Mike,I think his word is a device God used to create all that is created.Jehovah states the world was set in order by his device……it is equivalent to a man stating “this house was built by my hammer”.So since the “hammer that built the…[Read more]

That's fine, Keith. I will let the scriptures themselves teach you in the other thread – when you have the time.I'm in no hurry, because these scriptures aren't going anywhere.

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,03:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2013,16:15)I was looking for personal NAMES of three different gods that are described and detailed in scripture.Save me the trouble and mention them for me.I know that YHWH is literally a god.Jesus. Satan. Gabriel. Michael. Molech. Dagon. Asteroth. Chemosh.

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,03:05)…..are they qualitatively theos while being an actual angel or a judge etc or are they actually not an angel, or judge but an actual God like God is……….Therein lies the crux of the problem, t8.  You, like almost everyone else in existence today, have a non-Biblical understanding of the words “el” and…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,03:00)Of those who are called theos or elohim, where is any single one of them called theos or elohim?I know Jesus is called mighty el. I admit I have to do some research about that one.It seems like you've answered your own question……… or at least the research you do WILL eventually answer it. You see, I've already…[Read more]