Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2013,16:50)Mike,So you meant that in the current generation, Jesus had only a mother of the flesh and not a father.That is true according to what I have learned as well.I don't know about “current generation”. Mary was the mother of Jesus' flesh, and Jesus no longer has flesh in heaven.So during the second (birth as a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2013,16:11)Mike,So Jesus did not actually take on the form of a servant as he was already one but lowered himself from the position of a high level servant to the position of a low level servant. Correct.  Maybe this will help:2 Kings 24:1 During Jehoiakim’s reign, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon attacked.  Jehoiakim was his…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2013,16:00)I am not sure of your belief as the last I knew you believe the the hypothetical preexistent Christ transformed into a human being at the conceptus stage of life. That doesn't sound like you believe God fathered Jesus at that time, directly or otherwise.In short I do not know what you mean by directly…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,18:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2013,10:59)Asana,If your Allah is truly the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then the NAME of your God is YHWH.Allah is the Arabic word for “the god”.  So while we call Him “Jehovah God”, you can call Him “Jehovah Allah”.Interesing you should say that because I already have.You…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 09 2013,18:18)That makes no sense because it is forbidden to believe that Jesus is the same God he Worshipped.I don't believe Jesus is the same God he worshiped.  I am aligned with the Apostle Paul, Asana.  Like him, I understand there are indeed many gods, both in heaven and on earth, but only one of them is my own G…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2013,22:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2013,08:34)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2013,19:45)Do you believe Jesus did not exist in the form of a servant before he “took on the form of a servant”?Of course Jesus couldn't have already existed in the form of a servant before taking on the form of a servant.He WAS existing in one form,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2013,22:09)Mike,I hope to look at your other proofs when I am feeling less under the weather.We have compiled about 50 of them in the “Pre-existent Database” thread.It is not meant to be a discussion thread, so after you've had time to read those scriptures that speak of the pre-existence of Jesus, you and I can discuss…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2013,22:05)Mike,Do you believe God used the Holy Spirit to have sex with Mary in order to father Jesus?No. Do you?

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 10 2013,12:55)Hi Mike:Like comparing apples and oranges.  Not the same thing.So it is an orange to say “everything has been placed at his feet”, without meaning it LITERALLY?And it is an orange to say “no one is good but God alone” without meaning it LITERALLY?And it is an orange to say “you know all things Lord” without…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 10 2013,12:55)…….if anyone could be considered “a god” it would be Jesus………..Okay then. Let's focus on Jesus for a minute.1. God foretold through Isaiah that Jesus would be called a mighty god.2. The writer of Hebrews 1:8 confirms that God Himself calls Jesus a god.3. Depending on the mss you use, John called…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,17:23)Mike B.There are four chiefs(arc angels).1.Micha'el.2.Rapha'el.3.Phanu'el.4.Gabri'el.Each have a task to do.Scripture?

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2013,19:45)Do you believe Jesus did not exist in the form of a servant before he “took on the form of a servant”?It seems like you are arguing OUR point, Kerwin.Of course Jesus couldn't have already existed in the form of a servant before taking on the form of a servant.But he could have existed in the form of God before…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 09 2013,19:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2013,11:03)Let me stop you right there, Wakeup.  The Son OF the Most High God is not also the Most High God.No; but he is the Word that proceeded out of God.So then, while Jesus was on earth, God couldn't speak because His Word was preoccupied?

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2013,19:35)The only way that Philippians 2:5-9 hints at Jesus taking the likeness of mankind after he already existed in the form of God is if you take verse 6-7 in chronological order.And why WOULDN'T you understand those events in chronological order, Kerwin? “Existing in the form of God……….. BUT emptied himself…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2013,19:19)What do you intend when you wrote that Jesus was fathered directly by God?God, via His Holy Spirit, caused Mary to become pregnant with Jesus.God DIRECTLY caused Jesus to become born as a human being. No human father was involved.

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 07 2013,16:24)Yes, BUT..God is not a location!! Jesus said He came out from God!! NOT out from heaven!! Think about exactly what it is that the scripture says!!John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.Does that one fit your criteria? Think about exactly what it is that…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 07 2013,16:00)One can ONLY be BORN of a woman!! You sure?  Psalm 90:2 NIV © Before the mountains were born…………..(BTW, the word is “yalad”, which is also the Hebrew word for “begotten”.  Apparently it is not only humans who are “begotten” after all.   Actually, the Hebrew word means “brought forth into exi…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 07 2013,15:43)Matthew 1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.The word here (generation) is an “origin” or “a beginning.” The same Hebrew equivalent word is found hereMicah 5:2 says that his origins are from “days of old, from ancient times”.  And that was “days of old” from MICAH'S…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 07 2013,15:07)Again, you keep having to change the sentence in order to make your point.The difference is in your interpretation of Philippians 2.I'm going to try to end this Phil 2 thing, once and for all………This is the literal translation of the Greek words of verses 6 and 7:who, in form of god existing, not something to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 08 2013,04:04)BTW, where are the scriptures that say that each of these are 'a god' as opposed to just 'theos'?Jesus. Satan. Gabriel. Michael. Molech. Dagon. Asteroth. Chemosh.Hopefully that is not too much work, but would appreciate these 8 or so scriptures where these are translated as each being 'a god'.It is a lot of work, t8.…[Read more]