Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,23:17)There is no “was” in the statement “existing in the form of God”.The “was” is implied because the statement as a whole is a past tense statement. This is the example I used for jb in our private thread:And Mike, although running as fast as he could, was unable to win the race.I'm sure you'll agree that statement…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,20:48)Mike,Are angels under the authority of God's Word?Do they obey its commands?Isn't that paying homage?Kerwin,God's spoken word is not some entity that holds authority over angels.  Nor does it give out commands that angels must obey.The angels are under the authority of God Himself, and obey the commands of God…[Read more]

Marty,Let's forget your list of various definitions of the words “elohim” for a minute.The fact is that Jehovah said there was no elohim besides Him, but then in Psalm 45:6 said, “Your throne, O elohim will last for ever and ever……..”So the FACT is that Jehovah Himself called this king (later identified in Heb 1 as Jesus) elohim.Now unless the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2013,15:54)Wakeup,My purpose was to point out that a “literal” interpretation can be a foolish interpretation.  Mike did not answer my questions but you chose to use them to make your own point, though I am unclear how it relates to my own words.Kerwin,In John 6, Jesus not only clearly says, I came down from heaven,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2013,22:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2013,05:52)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2013,16:23)It is only when Jesus is brought into the world that God instructed the angels to pay homage to him, Hebrews 1:6.  They have continuously paid homage to the literal Word of God.Actually, it is when Jesus is to be sent into the world for…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2013,22:24)The second issue is reincarnation and is is not a biblical teaching as Hebrews 9:27 contradicts that teaching.Heb 9:27 is obviously a GENERAL statement, to which there are clear exceptions.  Neither Enoch nor Elijah actually “died once”, but were taken to heaven while still alive.  So that scripture doesn't h…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2013,22:01)Mike,Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Well, I must admit you are getting closer than any of the other non-preexisters on this site.    You have already opined that Phil 2:6-8 could easily be teaching that a pre-existent Jesus emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being ( just like the passage actually, e…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2013,21:36)Mike,Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I am asking you to show a SCRIPTURAL example (or any example, really) where the word “born” (BY ITSELF) does NOT refer to the beginning of someone or something.Born does not mean the start of a child, conceived does.Born may be a synonym of conceived in some cases.If you are not speaking…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2013,03:02)Born = conceived in some cases, which sounds like what you are saying.Kerwin, I am not asking about compound words like “firstborn”.  I am asking you to show a SCRIPTURAL example (or any example, really) where the word “born” (BY ITSELF) does NOT refer to the beginning of someone or something.Quote (kerwin @…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2013,16:23)It is only when Jesus is brought into the world that God instructed the angels to pay homage to him, Hebrews 1:6.  They have continuously paid homage to the literal Word of God.Actually, it is when Jesus is to be sent into the world for the SECOND TIME that the angels will pay homage to him.  It is at that S…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2013,14:44) “born “can be used figuratively or even loosely appliesCould you give an example when “born” does NOT refer to the beginning of something/someone?And even if you find such an example, will you concede that “born” GENERALLY refers to the beginning of someone/something?Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2013,14:44)If it was…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 04 2013,21:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,11:47)That trips me out.  His evidence seems pretty clear to me.Our governments have SOOOOO many secrets that normal people like us will never know about.Hi MikeBut God is exposing their wicked works to us, and even though we cannot do anything about it, we now know why…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 11 2013,16:35)It will require multiple conversions and even then, it might be too complicated.Surely not too complicated for you, t8!

Deuteronomy 4:7What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the Lord our God is near us whenever we pray to him?No long distance fees needed.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2013,21:36)Mike, let me ask you this if you lived in a community and you were married to a woman so that she was your wife and all the other couples were male homosexuals one taking the masculine postion the other the feminine position so they would also call their spouses wives as well,Would you say that in that…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2013,21:32)Colter has hundreds of Gods and yet they couldn't forsee the united states having more than 48 states within a decade of its writing.The UB specifically speaks of the 48 united states?  I wasn't aware of that.  Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2013,21:32)So the only way I could say that in english would b to a…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Sep. 11 2013,16:12)JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?Jn.3:17   “For  God  did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.Your post brought something to mind, Abe.Kerwin, in what way did your understanding of “Word of God” become flesh?Don't you believe that a long-existing “wor…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2013,20:10)The only ones you find are in reference to Jesus because you choose to believe conceive means a different thing when in reference to him.And what does “born” generally mean?  Yet Jesus was the “firstborn from the dead”, right?  Typically, “born” signifies the beginning of the existence of someone.  But that wo…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 10 2013,18:29)Kerwin go and read what Jodi Lee has written in the debate she is having with T8 and Mike.Hi Gene,That debate is between t8, myself, and a fellow named jb.Jodi Lee is not involved in the debate, and never has been.In fact, the debate is closed to all except t8, myself, and jb……… as the title…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2013,17:05)Scripture does not say Mary is Jesus' surrogate mother. Instead it states he was conceived in her. Those things are at odds.From Dictionary.com:surrogate mothera woman who helps a couple to have a child by………A. carrying to term an embryo conceived by the couple and transferred to her uterus,…[Read more]